http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/ Engadget HD Comments for Boycotting Blu-Ray and HD DVD is not the solution http://hd.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://hd.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/
Also, what happend to number 3? Its just blank?]]>Mar 22nd 2006 9:28AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/Mar 22nd 2006 9:49AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/Mar 22nd 2006 10:07AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/
Hope that clears it up for you.]]>Mar 22nd 2006 10:11AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/Mar 22nd 2006 10:41AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/
I have never heard of HDCP-compliant DVI before. That's seriously a new one, but that link is insightful. But here's a question. Just because a TV has DVI does not necessarily mean it's HDCP compliant right? HDCP was only "approved" by the FCC in Aug 2004, which is one and a half years ago. Surely no TV's before that time had HDCP capability? So my point still stands pretty well, I would think - if you bought an HDTV more than a year ago (or a year and a half ago), you're still screwed. Right?

HDMI cables ARE pricey, in retail stores, where most people will be making their purchase anyway. Someone else brought up this point in the comments on FBR and I said the same thing - I have zero interest in HDMI, so I have never looked that hard into it, but everytime I see the cables in retail stores, they're in the $50-$100 range.

DRM > Life: The Register article I linked to said these motions were filed by lawyers for both industries (MPAA/RIAA).

I didn't say connecting to the internet for extras was inherently a bad thing, but it's certainly open for abuse. Besides, what if your internet "hub" isn't anywhere near your home theater? What if you don't have broadband? It's certainly going to be an inconvenience for some.

HD is "very impressive" for sure, better than DVD's, but I'm just saying that DVD's still look great, most people don't need to upgrade yet. I have a 32" HDTV and the difference between a DVD and HDTV isnt too much.

Re: Price - Article states "Obviously these costs will drop over time ... you should wait". Also, Toshiba is only shipping 10,000 HD-DVD units for launch. When DVD's were first introduced, they either shipped and/or sold 200,000 units. I just read that yesterday, I dont have a link handy, but I'm pretty sure that's accurate, corrent me if I'm wrong.

Buying new DVD's - I know they're backwards compatible, I'm going to update the article to state this. Point being, you have a shiny new player, you want your movies to look as good as they can. There's a phrase, "Now I have to buy another copy of the white album...." same thing applies here. Sure you can keep your old copy but it's going to be hard to resist upgrading it a new shiny one.

I am planning on updating my article today to reflect a number of these points. ]]>Mar 22nd 2006 10:47AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/
1080i through component should only happen if ICT isn't set on the BD title. If ICT is set, a max of 540p will be output through component.

Chris]]>Mar 22nd 2006 10:49AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/I was just about to post comments on both Digg and FBR, but stopped myself.
You're not going to be able to sway either crowd. Face it, these people are not early, primary, or even secondary adopters.
You can tell from their comments that most of these people don't own HDTVs, and the only exposure they've had to HDTV is what they've seen on the shelves at Best Buy.
In other words, they just don't matter in this argument.
While my comments on their sites are a waste of keystrokes, the posts here at HD Beat (and sites like HD Beat) refuting their FUD are what really matter to the people who really matter.
Thanks - keep it up guys.
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By confirming they are expensive you are just re-afirming the rip off at the retail stores. It will only take one big box store to start selling the less expensive HDMI cables.

Although HDCP was just approved by the FCC one and half years ago the standard was out before then.

AACS is actually less restrictive than CSS and will probably be cracked faster than CSS (2 years). It allows some copying and 1080i upconversion over analog outputs, both of which are denied with CSS.

There is more than just the PQ, the new interactive layer is awesome, if you haven't used it first hand don't bother responding. I was very sceptical at first till I played with one first hand. Between the overlays and other features I was blown away.

If you want to call for a boycott of something call for a boycott of movies that enploy the downrezzing. It will be marked on every movies package so consumers will have the choice before they make the purchase which is more than we can say for software licenses.]]>Mar 22nd 2006 11:00AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/Mar 22nd 2006 11:36AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/
OTOH, I have pretty much stopped buying regular DVDs for the moment in anticipation of getting one of the HD formats in the next year or two. In the meantime I can rent what I want to see from Netflix. ]]>Mar 22nd 2006 2:06PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/
get with the program. your comments are not only stupid, they are plain wrong and unhelpful.

http://secure.syntaxgroups.com/products/detail.jsp?pid=lt26hvx

it says it right there..."and DVI with HDCP compatibility."

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http://gear.ign.com/articles/695/695919p1.html]]>Mar 22nd 2006 2:59PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/
AND yes, I'm boycotting!!! I'd boycott any thing involving SONY. I'll be keeping my money thank you.]]>Mar 22nd 2006 3:53PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/Cablewholesale.com sells very affordable and great HDMI cables made by MonsterCable specs. ]]>Mar 22nd 2006 4:17PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/
And many do not. And many brand new computer monitors/non-home theater oriented front projectors (which are feature comparable to HDTVs) don't have HDCP circuitry either on their DVI inputs. And considering HDCP is untested in most HD setups, I would venture that a good many do not implement it correctly just like first generation DVD players often had trouble reading DVDs. Or how about the thousands invested in HD switching receivers which are mostly component based? It will be truly annoying when the HDTivo is outdated not because of any functional limitations but just because it doesn't use the right outputs for switching (Wife acceptance factor on switching TV inputs is VERY low). Which of course assumes that receiver companies can punch out moderate cost HDCP compliant HDMI receiver switchers.

Why should we roll over to these companies desires for DRM so easily!? The outrage over music CDs (such as Sony rookit) has resulted in CONCRETE changes in the industry. Why cannot we try the same with movies? Why must it be assumed that we need such restrictions? It still irritates the heck out of me that its so hard to watch DVDs on my linux box, or even on my Mac time-shifted so I don't waste juice on spinning the drive on a plane.

I plan on avoiding the HD / blueray DVD situation for a variety of other reasons (most pointedly the sheer cost in buying again movies I already own) but it sickens me that such technically aware people are so willing to kowtow to these media companies. Technology is about opening up our choices not restricting them.]]>Mar 22nd 2006 5:18PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/
I've had an HDCP-compliant DVI set since 2002. Sony and others have been making them for quite some time, long before HDMI was available. Just because the FCC didn't approve it until 2004 doesn't mean it didn't exist. Version 1.0 of the spec was released in 2000, and version 1.1 (current) in 2003. You can confirm this on the HDCP site: http://www.digital-cp.com]]>Mar 23rd 2006 9:31AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/
Mark]]>Mar 23rd 2006 5:13PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/http://hd.engadget.com/2006/03/22/boycotting-blu-ray-and-hd-dvd-is-not-the-solution/
There's just no way you can have negative feelings for HDMI.

The fact that it's capable of using HDCP encryption and the associated DRM, well, yeah, that sucks, but don't blame HDMI, which is just as capable of carrying an unencrypted signal. The fact that Best Buy only carries Monster brand HDMI cables, well, yeah, that sucks too, but you can get cables significantly cheaper online. I got one the other day for $12.50. BB carries the Monster brand stuff because of the enormous markups they get on it. Anyway I said, it's digital, so if the 1's and 0's come in slightly quieter, it doesn't matter -- you'll get exactly the same picture and audio from a $12.50 cable that you will from a $150 cable, which is exactly as good as the signal which comes off the source.

If you got a TV which doesn't have an HDMI connector, well, that's too bad too. The TV industry took way too long to come up with a way to transfer digital picture, and when they finally did, it wasn't quite good enough (DVI), but now that they finally got to HDMI, everyone should really acknowledge that it's a great standard, and lets move forward with it. ]]>Mar 27th 2006 5:16PM