Let the hive mind of Engadget get that for you.
"I need help! I want a small pocket camcorder but I'm not sure which one to get. I don't want to fall into the hype of the Flip because I worry two hours won't be enough. What should I be looking for when considering a small camcorder and where can I get a good quality one with expandable memory? Thanks!"
Im glad toshiba is already on their 2nd generation while samsung still cant figure out all the bugs of their first. But what my burning question is that, will either of them output video at 24fps?