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<generator>Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/</generator><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Mossberg rules out 1080p as "an important factor" in HDTV buying]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</guid><description><![CDATA[At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite (I myself think that 1080p, touted as a selling point, is thus far a ruse on consumers -- more on that below), I think ol' Wally doesn't precisely understand what 1080p is.  Basic truth: 1080/60i signal + good deinterlacer + 1080p display = 1080/30p.  In that regard, every 1080i channel out there could be a good source of 1080p content. <br><br>The ruse, however, is by the manufacturers.  As was pointed out on this blog, HomeTheater Magazine has found that most 1080p sets from most manufacturers fail to properly deinterlace 1080i material, leaving you with 1920x540p/30 content.  Not good.  Consumer X spent an extra $1000 on his 1080p television, only to be duped by the very people he bought it from.  Without expensive external equipment (ie, a scaler, an HD-DVD player, a BluRay player, a hoss HTPC, etc) he will never actually experience real 1080p goodness.<br><br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jake]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Nov 13th 2006 8:43AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Mossberg rules out 1080p as "an important factor" in HDTV buying]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</guid><description><![CDATA[All points made here are true. The fact is that the 1080i signal is merely a transport mode, making it imperative that the display systems properly handle the image processing in firmware. This should be inherent in LCD displays, and unfortunately for the consumer, knowlege of the firmware image processing is really required when selecting a display. Personally i favor the Faroudja-based DCDi treatments, since it is born from film conversion experts that sought after the most film-like feel of an image, nicely de-interlaced and temporal accurate for all pulldowns.<br><br>I'm glad you posted this, someone out there should warn the world that a 1080 display needs proper firmware to do this stuff and produce the intended display, and that 1080i is not a problem. In Fact the problems are not in interlacing but in horrible lossy compression found in mpeg2 transport that happen in rapid scene movement and scene cut recovery.<br><br>Wally is correct also in that a 1080p and and 1080i source is not distinguishable to the consumer when the display processing is done as it should be. You can buy an excellent 1080p display from bestbuy, Westy 37"  1080p's are 1400 bucks and Use DCDi and its next-gen variants to produce a perfect image  & make a superior PC display for editing and show of video and photo at 1920 x 1080, so huge bucks are not required to ge in on it.<br><br>The Pioneer elite uses A Faroudja DCDiŽ HD Video Scaler chip but most people do not realize that in this technology there is more than just scaling. <br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Johnson]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Nov 13th 2006 11:59AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Mossberg rules out 1080p as "an important factor" in HDTV buying]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</guid><description><![CDATA[I love this discussion because it is hard to argue that 1080p is bad.  Clearly, more pixels available to display is never a bad thing.  However, the previous comments and Uncle Walt are dead on - none of this means anything if your scaling/deinterlacing processing stinks.  That's what really dooms 1080p to strictly marketing hype in my mind.  The simple fact is that the common person can't visualize the difference between 1280x720 and 1920x1080 at recommended HD viewing differences.  Moreover, the push to get to 1920x1080/60fps is ridiculously silly.  The bandwidth this would require most certainly will create situations where bitrate restrictions would cause wicked macroblocking and make the picture look like an 8-bit NES.  What use are all those extra pixels if you can't deliver them from the source to the screen?!?!   Personally, I'm happy w/ my 720p set and would recommend 720p to anyone looking for a good value in home theater.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Nov 13th 2006 4:53PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Mossberg rules out 1080p as "an important factor" in HDTV buying]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</guid><description><![CDATA["Clearly, more pixels available to display is never a bad thing."<br><br>Yes, but we're not discussing MORE pixels...we're discussing how they're displayed for the most part.  The simple fact is that Mossberg is telling like it is: most consumers won't notice any appreciable difference from a native 1080i signal and a 1080i source that is properly de-interlaced and anti-aliased in 1080p.<br><br>Further, the number of 1080p sources of content available are virtually nil on the handful of sets that actually CAN display it.  Most HDTV content is 720p or 1080i, and that isn't likely to change that quickly, when most of the current HTDV owners can't support above that.  The paltry amount of releases on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray certainly aren't going to push the boundaries, any more than SA-CD and DVD-A did for audio recordings.<br><br>Mossberg can way oversimplify matters (or just get them plain wrong, IMHO)...but on this point, I'm in full agreement.  Most people don't care.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[WizarDru]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Nov 14th 2006 8:21AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Mossberg rules out 1080p as "an important factor" in HDTV buying]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</guid><description><![CDATA[1080p is a marketing ploy. Next year, it will be a different number. As of right now, it's pointless unless you have a 60"+ screen and sit like 5 feet away. Otherwise, you spent money on pixels you can't see and detail you won't notice all for $500+ more. Now, a 1080p on a projector at 110" would be sweet I think. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Lyon]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Nov 14th 2006 1:01PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Mossberg rules out 1080p as "an important factor" in HDTV buying]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</guid><description><![CDATA[I'm not a techie, but I trust my eyes.  I've had a 720p Samsung DLP for over two years now and am quite pleased.  Since their 1080p models came out I've been to stores numerous times to judge with my own eyes whether these sets are better than what I have.  Sadly (because I REALLY wanted to buy one)I think the 1080p pictures I see in store displays might be marginally better than the 720p set I already have, but they are definitely not significantly better.  I suppose this may be due in part to the quality of the source material these sets are displaying, but if 1080p is so great then they ought to be using quality source material that lets the advantages in PQ come through load and clear.  Bottom line: you guys are debating the differences between 1080i and 1080p, but I still can't see where 1080p is any better than 720p. But like I said, I'm not a techie, just making judgments based on what I can see.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe T]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Nov 15th 2006 12:15PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Mossberg rules out 1080p as "an important factor" in HDTV buying]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2006/11/13/mossberg-rules-out-1080p-as-an-important-factor-in-hdtv-buying/</guid><description><![CDATA[while much of the discussion here seems valid I still question if you have a 1080i feed to display would that look better on a set that renders 1366 x 768 or one that does 1920 x 1080.  I have never seen a good true comparison with a clean 1080i source using HDMI for both sets, but my intuition given that it natively can show 1080 lines says that a 1080p set would do this better.  Its not a huge dif I'm sure but I'd want a 1080p set for that reason.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[junkie]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 2nd 2007 1:14PM</pubDate></item></channel></rss>