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<generator>Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/</generator><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Vista's crippled output DRM explained]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</guid><description><![CDATA[So it's no big deal that you can't watch the content you paid for because the people who overcharged you for it in the first place, and their henchmen at MS don't want you to? Oh yea, and you can't build a Media center PC yourself anymore, or SageTV or one of the decent DVR PCs because cable labs won't let you touch a cable card tuner. Therefore no one but Dell and HP can make media center PCs, but yea, you're right. It's no big deal... ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[MI]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 25th 2007 11:47PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Vista's crippled output DRM explained]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</guid><description><![CDATA[You can build your own Media Center PC... You just can't build a CableCARD comaptible one. But you can still get ATSC/QAM tuner cards and get whatever you can off your digital cable.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Botros]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 26th 2007 12:52AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Vista's crippled output DRM explained]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</guid><description><![CDATA[It's not a big deal because you don't have to buy discs that have the ICT bit set, yes they will be marked on the box. You also don't have to subscribe to digital cable. It is your choice and mine as well.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 26th 2007 8:27AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Vista's crippled output DRM explained]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</guid><description><![CDATA[God dammit! It really gets my goat when "journos" don't bother to find out the facts - or are too dim to understand them. AACS HAS NOT BEEN CRACKED, for pete's sake. Cracking the AACS algorithms and being able to create decryption keys mathematically is completely different from finding a decryption key in PC memory during playback. Once the player gets its AACS key revoked, this particular copy protection hole is plugged.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[colinhunt]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 26th 2007 4:26AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Vista's crippled output DRM explained]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</guid><description><![CDATA[Thanks Colin. Care to expand a little? What happens after a player gets its AACS key revoked? I'm just ignorant on this particular aspect of the subject and would love to find out more...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Noli]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 26th 2007 7:16AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Vista's crippled output DRM explained]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</guid><description><![CDATA[But apparently none of this is a big deal since highly technical people will be able to crack their own discs, but the regular public will have to be content with getting screwed by the DRM, or risking lawsuit by downloading a gigantic movie.  I frequently encounter people who have run afoul of DVD region encoding who don't know what to do about it, despite the fact that DVD cracking is so easy many programs do it automatically, how the hell are they supposed to get through the HD minefield?<br><br>And about being able to get an ATSC/QAM tuner card for linux still, that's great... can you get premium content off your cable with that, like most HD channels?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[apease]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 26th 2007 7:56AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Vista's crippled output DRM explained]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</guid><description><![CDATA[Mike: so I can record, say, 3-4 HD channels on my Sage/Myth/whatever homebrew DVR, out of the 30-80 my cable provider will be carrying by the end of the year?  Wow, thanks.  That totally negates MI's comment about the anti-competitive nature of the operating system.  As the kids say: not!<br><br><br>Ben: we, the ~10% of the population who actually know what DRM is and care about it, end up getting stiffed by the "wisdom of crowds" because the other 90% of the populace will remain blissfully ignorant of that ICT label.  People will have fewer choices, but not even be aware of it.  People will just bitch that their movies don't look good and not know why, or buy e.g. a SACD, try to play it on their (SPDIF-connected) home theater, and have it magically not work.<br><br><br>And the worst part is, like *every DRM scheme ever concoted*, this only affects legitimate consumers -- the existence of DRM so clever that nobody can find a hacker who is cleverer would practically be a violation of a laws of the physical universe.  No matter what the protection industry does, somebody will break it, and once the cracked content is loose, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.  So once again, people who buy and pay for the content are restricted in how they use it (perhaps without even knowing how or why), while pirates don't even feel the speed bump as they go cruising along.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 26th 2007 2:38PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Vista's crippled output DRM explained]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</guid><description><![CDATA[I don't like DRM anymore than anyone else, but at the same time I respect other right to property and while I don't think it should be illegal to copy a disc I bought, I do think that they have the right to release there disc's with whatever DRM they want and MS has the right to build whatever they want into their OS. <br><br>At the same time I have the right to not buy it.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 26th 2007 3:25PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Vista's crippled output DRM explained]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</guid><description><![CDATA[Did anyone actually read the article or just knee-jerk react to the words "Microsoft" and "DRM"?  I really wonder sometimes.<br><br>First of all, Hollywood may not set ICT at all, ever.  At the earliest, they say it would be 2010.  By then any monitor and/or PC you buy will have HDCP.  They are already shipping monitors with HDCP, and video cards have had it for YEARS!  <br><br>Secondly regarding CableCard.  I don't know what people expect.  You can already buy DVRs like the Tivo S3 and record those channels.  You can even buy (soon) PCs that do it (with Vista).  You don't really expect studios like Universal to broadcast Hi-Def movies and TV shows completely free and clear do you?  No, the alternative is simply not to have these channels at all.<br><br>Not to mention that you'll probably need a new PC to record and playback Hi-Def anyway.  If it's anything older than a Core2Duo or X2 with Geforce 7-series, it won't cut the mustard anyway.<br><br>So yes, it is "no big deal".  Unless you're just a pirate who wants to download everything from the tubes.  Oh golly, so sorry...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[walk2k]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 26th 2007 5:05PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Vista's crippled output DRM explained]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</guid><description><![CDATA[walk2k:  Hollywood may not set ICT, but they may.  They say not until 2010, but when and if is up to them, not us.  Hopefully all TVs on sale by then will have HDCP, but will you give a free one to anyone who saved up for an older HDTV that doesn't have HDCP?  Video cards have NOT been supporting HDCP for years, in fact, there was recently a class action suit against ATI for claiming they supported HDCP when they did not.  Only recently have you been able to buy video cards that really do support HDCP.  In the end, virtually everyone with an LCD monitor with a digital input can't watch blu-ray or HD-DVD on their pc, and for no good reason, since the pirates aren't going to bother with capturing the DVI output when it's so easy just to snag the encryption keys... they don't even have to recompress the output, and no special capturing hardware needed.<br><br>As for CableCard:  Great, you can buy a Tivo.  I've noticed a bit of irritation from Tivo owners due to Tivo constantly chipping away at the control you have, pushing ads on viewers and so forth.  Which is why people want a PC to do this, so they have control... oops, but apparently you have to buy Vista, which means you'll have to buy the software, which means you won't have control.  You'll essentially end up with an expensive Tivo.  Do we expect unencrypted HD channels?  No, not really, but there's no reason not to let linux in the game too.  After all, current cable boxes are required to have an unecrypted firewire output that simply spits the mpeg2 stream out to the PC, where any software can do whatever with it.  If you could just change channels through the same interface, I don't think anyone would even care about CableCard.<br><br>And you don't need a new PC to playback regular HD, it's encoded in mpeg-2 at 1080i at most, my xbox 1 with XBMC can almost handle it.  The specifications you list are for Blu-ray and HD-DVD]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[apease]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 28th 2007 7:12PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Vista's crippled output DRM explained]]></title><link>http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://hd.engadget.com/2007/01/25/vistas-crippled-output-drm-explained/</guid><description><![CDATA[And I forgot to add, if I'm a pirate who just wants to download everything from the tubes, I don't worry about any of that encryption, since I'm not the one breaking it.  If I purchase the legitimate product, then I care.  Think about it.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[apease]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jan 28th 2007 7:15PM</pubDate></item></channel></rss>