Wow that was a long read. How about a wal-mart rep saying the deal is untrue. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2122715,00.asp. I find it hard to believe that an hddvd player could be produced in Mass quanities anytime soon. Toshiba has over-shot estimates, there for under produced diodes. They said 1 million for the first physical year, but it was really only 250,000. However BD is in mini mass production right now and is ready to go full scale by nov. I'm sure you have read this in your travels..http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200704/07-037E/index.html. Note they are talking about BD only diodes. Wal-Mart has said they are carrying they new cheaper Sony model this summer. With a BDA company offering a $299 CPU player this summer for the Chinese market. I would expect the sony model to be under the $599 price that was quoted. Because sony can fill a huge order for wal mart themselves by this summer; and the most expensive part of the BD player is down to $8 U.s.. They would be able to sell them to wal-mart for $75-$100. If your saying that hddvd players from Fuh Yaun will only number 10,000 by Oct-ish. How many $399-$499 BRD players will have sold by then? I mean by the end of Dec there could be 5m BD players made every month. Why wouldn't Fuh Yaun pick up some of these cheap BD only diodes and put them in their HD/BD Brodcoms board players that they are putting together with the loaders right now? Especally if it means they can fill a huge order to wal-mart for next generation players? Since Sammy and Toshiba make their drives at the same plant, I would expect a hybrid from tosh in the future. 10,000-70,000 Cheap Hddvd players coming in oct-dec. Isn't going to bring hddvd back at this point. The market will be flooded with so many BD players by then. If you don't believe me on the Tosh hybrid check this out. Onkyo has said that ther are re-thinking their decision to back hddvd exclusivley . http://www.e-gear.com/story/story.bsp?sid=53628&var=story. I wonder why?
Rob, I would like this info to be confirmed really but you have to understand this is how business works in general. If wal-mart confirmed this, they would lose money. Simple as that. Pay attention what Wal-mart spokesperson said
"When asked to comment specifically on a statement appearing on Fuh Yuan's site, which implies the retailer is at least interested in ordering the players, the spokesperson said she could not comment on or disclose Wal-Mart's internal business with suppliers and our orders."
So how is she confirming that the rest of the stuff is untrue? Something is not logical here, don't you agree?
Second, I really don't have the energy to go into discussion why Blu-Ray is more expensive to make, but it simply is and Sony has a LONG way to go (meaning selling a lot of units) to be able to get out with sub $400 BD player.
The links you posted are saying nothing really. Shiroishi Semiconductor Inc is just throwing numbers how much laser diodes they made since 1986 and also it says that it has the capacity to manufacture blue diodes at certain price point and quantity, whether they will get orders or not is not known.
What you are talking about cheap Blu-Ray players and them being able to produce $50-$75 BD players just boggles my mind really. Don't you think we would see players like that by now? At least cheaper..second Sony would be actually making money on PS3 instead of losing an arm and a leg. You are just speculating Rob.
Now, bare with me, I'm not saying that AVS Forum guys are dead on accurate, but I do believe this deal is going to happen and Wal-mart announcement is just business tactic. After all we will see by October now won't we.
Here's what I think will happen. Wal-mart will get first several thousand units probably around October, sell them at $299 to test out waters. If they see that units are going for that price well, they will probably keep it at $299 or go with $249 discount. But if the units start off slow before the rest of the players are completed I'm pretty sure they will sell them for $199, even possibly $179.
It's simple, these HD-DVD players should be around $50 a piece. 2million units/100 million = $50 a piece. Of course we don't know full quantities yet and delivery times and overall order details, but knowing that HD-DVD player is $50 in manufacturing says GOOD THINGS. It means that they can sell those units for $100-$150 and still have profit.
Onkyo thing you mentioned is quite normal. You do realize that as long as companies are NEUTRAL, HD-DVD wins. Onkyo is just making a business move. They saw Samsung, LG and others coming out with dual format players and they are thinking, hey why don't we just make it dual, make one unit and sell that and make clean profit. No comparison there. I'll tell you one thing, if Fox goes neutral it's pretty much over for Blu-Ray, mark my words.
Read AVS Forums, you will see more up-to-date information from the community there as a lot of them actually work for one side or the other and are actually involved more in this war then regular Joe.
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Wow that was a long read. How about a wal-mart rep saying the deal is untrue. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2122715,00.asp. I find it hard to believe that an hddvd player could be produced in Mass quanities anytime soon. Toshiba has over-shot estimates, there for under produced diodes. They said 1 million for the first physical year, but it was really only 250,000. However BD is in mini mass production right now and is ready to go full scale by nov. I'm sure you have read this in your travels..http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200704/07-037E/index.html. Note they are talking about BD only diodes. Wal-Mart has said they are carrying they new cheaper Sony model this summer. With a BDA company offering a $299 CPU player this summer for the Chinese market. I would expect the sony model to be under the $599 price that was quoted. Because sony can fill a huge order for wal mart themselves by this summer; and the most expensive part of the BD player is down to $8 U.s.. They would be able to sell them to wal-mart for $75-$100. If your saying that hddvd players from Fuh Yaun will only number 10,000 by Oct-ish. How many $399-$499 BRD players will have sold by then? I mean by the end of Dec there could be 5m BD players made every month. Why wouldn't Fuh Yaun pick up some of these cheap BD only diodes and put them in their HD/BD Brodcoms board players that they are putting together with the loaders right now? Especally if it means they can fill a huge order to wal-mart for next generation players?
Since Sammy and Toshiba make their drives at the same plant, I would expect a hybrid from tosh in the future. 10,000-70,000 Cheap Hddvd players coming in oct-dec. Isn't going to bring hddvd back at this point. The market will be flooded with so many BD players by then. If you don't believe me on the Tosh hybrid check this out. Onkyo has said that ther are re-thinking their decision to back hddvd exclusivley . http://www.e-gear.com/story/story.bsp?sid=53628&var=story. I wonder why?
Rob, I would like this info to be confirmed really but you have to understand this is how business works in general. If wal-mart confirmed this, they would lose money. Simple as that. Pay attention what Wal-mart spokesperson said
"When asked to comment specifically on a statement appearing on Fuh Yuan's site, which implies the retailer is at least interested in ordering the players, the spokesperson said she could not comment on or disclose Wal-Mart's internal business with suppliers and our orders."
So how is she confirming that the rest of the stuff is untrue? Something is not logical here, don't you agree?
Second, I really don't have the energy to go into discussion why Blu-Ray is more expensive to make, but it simply is and Sony has a LONG way to go (meaning selling a lot of units) to be able to get out with sub $400 BD player.
The links you posted are saying nothing really. Shiroishi Semiconductor Inc is just throwing numbers how much laser diodes they made since 1986 and also it says that it has the capacity to manufacture blue diodes at certain price point and quantity, whether they will get orders or not is not known.
What you are talking about cheap Blu-Ray players and them being able to produce $50-$75 BD players just boggles my mind really. Don't you think we would see players like that by now? At least cheaper..second Sony would be actually making money on PS3 instead of losing an arm and a leg. You are just speculating Rob.
Now, bare with me, I'm not saying that AVS Forum guys are dead on accurate, but I do believe this deal is going to happen and Wal-mart announcement is just business tactic. After all we will see by October now won't we.
Here's what I think will happen. Wal-mart will get first several thousand units probably around October, sell them at $299 to test out waters. If they see that units are going for that price well, they will probably keep it at $299 or go with $249 discount. But if the units start off slow before the rest of the players are completed I'm pretty sure they will sell them for $199, even possibly $179.
It's simple, these HD-DVD players should be around $50 a piece. 2million units/100 million = $50 a piece. Of course we don't know full quantities yet and delivery times and overall order details, but knowing that HD-DVD player is $50 in manufacturing says GOOD THINGS. It means that they can sell those units for $100-$150 and still have profit.
Onkyo thing you mentioned is quite normal. You do realize that as long as companies are NEUTRAL, HD-DVD wins. Onkyo is just making a business move. They saw Samsung, LG and others coming out with dual format players and they are thinking, hey why don't we just make it dual, make one unit and sell that and make clean profit. No comparison there. I'll tell you one thing, if Fox goes neutral it's pretty much over for Blu-Ray, mark my words.
Read AVS Forums, you will see more up-to-date information from the community there as a lot of them actually work for one side or the other and are actually involved more in this war then regular Joe.