http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/ Engadget HD Comments for Blu-ray has outsold HD DVD so far this year http://hd.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://hd.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 10:03AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
smh.........

doesnt matter WHO you choose now.........a MultiBlue player will take care of all Formats]]>Aug 16th 2007 10:08AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Yes blu ray players cost a little more but at a cost difference of $5-10 per movie it will not take very long to make up the difference.]]>Aug 16th 2007 10:33AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 10:50AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
Blu-Ray has more expensive players, but allot of new release disks are being released at the same price as the DVD version and older movies are only a couple dollars more then the DVD.

That's good strategy as it probably encourages a few PS3 owners who otherwise wouldn't to pick up Blu-Ray disks because the cost is comparable to the DVD version.

These DVD/HD-DVD combo disk packs that cost up to ten dollars more then the regular DVD version of the movies are not helping the HD-DVD cause.

What's the point of a cheap player if you're going to get nailed on the media later on?

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Isn't the attach rate much better on HD DVD, what with the 3 to 4 million PS3s out there?

And the price difference is mostly because of the dual format DVD/HD DVD combo discs. I agree they need to lower their disc prices though.]]>Aug 16th 2007 10:45AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
The only time that HD DVD is more expensive is on combo disks, and that assumes that you didn't need both SD & HD versions, as some households with children might (the rationale for combos, BTW).

Many movies cost the same. Movies exclusive to BD often cost $35 instead of the $29 that competitive releases do.

As for "$5-10", I'm pretty sure that there are none, or nearly none, that cost $10 more on HD DVD. Combos are $5 more.

So, let's look at the numbers. The cheapest (current model) BD player is $500, and the cheapest HD player is $300. At $5 each, you would need to buy 40 BD disks to match the price difference. And only your BD purchases that matched HD combos would count. And of course every $35 BD exclusive would subtract.

So, I think I have to call BS on that.]]>Aug 16th 2007 10:49AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 20th 2007 2:06PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
There are MILLIONS of PS3's out there. OFCOURSE Bluray will outsell HDDVD.

That's like reporting "DVD's outsold HDDVD in 2007". Duhhh!!! What else is to be expected? Does this mean DVD's are better? No. There re just more of them. Period.]]>Aug 16th 2007 10:59AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 8:49PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 10:58AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
I'd be buying Ratatoulli and Spiderman 3 combo discs if they were available. But hey, getting the cheaper standard def DVD's is no big loss for me.]]>Aug 16th 2007 11:05AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
In response to another commenter at http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/08/07/warner-home-video-moves-250k-copies-of-300-in-first-week/comments/6612518/ :

According to the numbers above, if 2.2M Blu-ray discs have been sold at an average retail price of, say, $26, that is $57.2M in gross income for Blu-ray. Even if, for the sake of argument, EVERY ONE of the 1.5M HD DVDs was a combo disc and cost $10 more ($36), that's only $54M in gross income for the HD DVD camp.

Of course, we don't know what the margins or net profits are for either side -- meaning either one could be making more profit per disc depending on what they charge retailers, and what their manufacturing costs are, but it seems that with all the studio exclusives -- at least for the US, let's not drag region coding into this quite yet -- and 2:1 sales ratios, it's not looking exactly roses for HD DVD.

Having said that, I'm really, really considering the $180 360 add-on HD DVD drive to put into a Windows box, although I'd have to use some "special" *cough* drivers and software because I don't have an HDCP-compatible video card nor television. The DRM is a con for both formats, but I've gotta have my high-def...

So, flame on, dear readers, and enjoy your high-def content, however you get it!!
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XBox 360 HD DVD add-on for $143 w/ 5 free HD DVD movies

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Take that coupon, print it out and go to your local Toys 'R' Us and pick up the HD DVD drive.

Here's the 5 movie form: http://images10.newegg.com/uploadfilesfornewegg/rebate/SH/Microsoft74-103-051Aug01Sep3007kl09.pdf

Enjoy it]]>Aug 16th 2007 1:30PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/either way I am still waiting for the prices on the multi format players to come down a it before I buy anything.]]>Aug 16th 2007 11:12AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
And for HD-DVD there is that Onkyo player coming soon.]]>Aug 16th 2007 2:21PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/What, you say? People are smarter than that?? Surely they must be! ]]>Aug 16th 2007 11:42AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070809/wr_nm/video_dc ]]>Aug 16th 2007 11:50AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 12:40PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 12:59PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/However, two factors make these numbers a little easier to swallow:
1. There are simply more titles on Blu Ray.

I have purchased a few SD discs since the purchase of my HD player, either because of cost (didn't like it enough to shell out the cash) or availability. I've rented more than I've bought, and that number is only so low because I can't find all the HD DVDs that I would rent.

2. HD DVDs have a higher profit margin.

HD DVDs use the same manufacturing process as standard DVDs, and actually cost less materially to manufacture. My Dad's company replicates digital media, and they are going HD DVD because the cost and process adjustment are much more affordable than those for Blu Ray. They will eventually go Blu Ray also, but it is such a specialized process requiring so many new machines, they won't until it absolutely covers their costs to do so.
What I'm trying to say is, even though we are being routed in terms of sales numbers, if the format is sustainable (and I've demonstrated that it is in other posts), the enticement for studios to go dual format will be huge when they realize Warner made as much *profit* from both formats, even though the numbers were so much lower for HD DVD. That's what I would be afraid of if I were a Blu Ray supporter.
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Remember the "bad old days" when all we had was spec sheets for unreleased products? FUD and FUD-mongering gets way old.

Awsome. Data rocks. Data will end this stupid war. ]]>Aug 16th 2007 1:05PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
Wouldn't this also contain the Sells of PS3 Games sense they are a Blu Ray Disc?

Sounds to me like some Spin. Same goes for the Blu Ray Units vs HD DVD Units. Wouldn't that also contain the PS3 in that number?

Seems like Sony has their marketing right. Not about how much is Sold it's about how much is Shipped. More or less the Perception of winning vs actually winning. ]]>Aug 16th 2007 1:44PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
Seriously, it takes about 2 clicks to get to the actual source article, so please do that before you start rambling next time.]]>Aug 16th 2007 1:55PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
But the absolutely genius part about Sony putting PS3 games on Blu-Ray disk (and they know this and planned it all along) means that Blu-Ray disk production ramped up very quickly to high volumes, thus softening the blow of the higher manufacturing costs of the new technology. Blu-Ray costs production costs are coming down to DVD level much quicker then they would if PS3 games were in DVD.

PS3 is vital to Blu-Ray on many levels as every PS3 owner whether they have purchased a Blu-Ray movie or not is an investor in Blu-Ray technology and a purchaser of Blu-Ray disks.

For all the Sony bashing that goes on on the Internet, it's not like they didn't have a complete strategy for Blu-Ray before they decided to launch it.

If Microsoft had decided to hold off on launching the 360 and made all games on HD-DVD there'd be a much weaker case for Blu-Ray being a new more expensive technology to produce. But with Blu-Ray leveraging the game market to ramp up disk production (and attract more disk manufacturers to invest in Blu-Ray) and drive down costs with the competition relying pretty exclusively on the Home Movie market, there is a strong case to be made that Blu-Ray simply has the better economies of scale for long term success. ]]>Aug 16th 2007 2:38PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
Hee, hee, just thought I'd behave like a mischevious imp for a moment. Still waiting for Star Crash and Howard the Duck to hit HD DVD, though. Now THAT is news.

]]>Aug 16th 2007 1:57PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
It would be a perfect world if a refund was given to all those who invested in a dying format. ]]>Aug 16th 2007 1:55PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 1:57PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Matt @ Aug 16th 2007 11:05AM

I'd be buying Ratatoulli and Spiderman 3 combo discs if they were available. But hey, getting the cheaper standard def DVD's is no big loss for me.
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If you want those on HiDef, they are coming out soon but only on Blu-ray.


]]>Aug 17th 2007 12:43PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 5:18PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 2:02PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/"On the high-definition disc charts, "300" was the top seller on the Blu-ray Disc and the HD DVD charts. The Blu-ray Disc version outsold the HD DVD edition by a margin of nearly 2-to-1."]]>Aug 16th 2007 2:04PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/]]>Aug 16th 2007 3:01PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
And, Bob, why would ANY sane consumer be happy about the fact that a film only comes out on one format? Do you work for Sony?]]>Aug 16th 2007 3:37PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 4:51PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 5:50PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 6:01PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 7:58PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 6:00PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
I personally would like to know the amount of players sold. ]]>Aug 16th 2007 10:14PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 16th 2007 10:44PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
To answer your questions. Right now there is no appreciable difference in picture of HD-DVD or BluRay. It really depends on the quality of your player. Both formats use the same codec so you will wind up with the same master going onto each respective disk.

Both Formats are finished. You don't need to feel any fear in buying a HD-DVD or BluRay disk at this point. They will both work on any future players. Just like dvd there may be future advancements that won't work right on early players. No matter what you will be assured that the feature movie will play just fine.

I odn't know what the rest of it is about but you really should go out and get a player BluRay or HD-DVD you will be delighted by the superior image quality.]]>Aug 17th 2007 2:15PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 22nd 2007 1:33PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
Too bad retard fanboys can't think any other way than what Sony/Toshiba is telling them.

]]>Aug 17th 2007 2:19AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
Too bad retard fanboys can't think any other way than what Sony/Toshiba is telling them. "


No actually a lower attach rate is an indication of a more mature format. There were 7 million 300 DVD's sold. Given there are more than 100x DVD players than BluRay you can claim,by your logic, that BluRay is doing better than DVD's.

So no attach rate does not equal success. You Fail.]]>Aug 17th 2007 2:15PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/
shouldnt stand alone player have higher attache rates??? much higher???? every hd dvd player sold is a stand alone or meant for hd dvd thats close to 470 thousand stand alones ]]>Aug 17th 2007 8:30AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/I read earlier on this site that the PS3 is just a tool to further the HD sales, and, ultimately, to promote their own disc format. So, to whoever wants to see sales outside of the PS3, I would see this as fruitless because a large part of the system's current existence is due to blu-ray promotion. Engadget has also posted statistics referring to the actual use of blu-ray on the PS3 system, which, I believe I read, is around seventy percent (and, while the numbers may be botched a little by staticians, I doubt they would be off by plus/minus five percent, due to blatant legal issues.)
So, what I am getting that is a lot of the debate contained in this forum is fairly pointless. PS3's are blu-ray players, significantly boost the sales of the format, and taking them out of the equation wouldn't do much good. This battle isn't for sale of players, but rather for media endorsement into the discs (although players do dictate sales.) All I hope is that, with the continuation of blu-ray's dominance, i'll be able to buy Kill Bill soon for a nice, affordable price :D
And, I have to admit, I just love the PS3, and would hate to see it flop.]]>Aug 18th 2007 11:35PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 21st 2007 8:06AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/08/16/blu-ray-has-outsold-hd-dvd-so-far-this-year/Aug 22nd 2007 1:17AM