http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/ Engadget Comments for Blu-ray's Pirates of the Caribbean release has framing issues http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 11:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 11:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_pig

lol]]>Aug 31st 2007 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 3:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Blame Disney, not the format. Do not bring in politics of blu-ray losing. COMPLETELY SEPARATE. isolate the issue better.]]>Aug 31st 2007 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/
I'm glad to see that someone here is posting pro-HD DVD/anti-BD news. It evens things out and if it continues I know that I, personally, won't have to call out all the BD fanboy articles all the time. That's all I've been asking for - equal coverage without negative slants on positive news.

Back on topic -- this is the second framing issue I've seen in the past week -- BioShock (game for PC/360) actually cuts off the top and bottom 10% of the picture compared to the 4:3 picture. Yes, if you play BioShock on a 4:3 display you get to see MORE than if you play on a 16:9. Stupid. PotC is similar, except worse since it cuts off valuable information (like his head....), whereas on the game you only lose the ceiling/floor at least...

I guess I don't understand why this stuff is so hard... :(]]>Aug 31st 2007 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 2:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 11:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 11:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Sep 4th 2007 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/
Ahhh, here we go, veering off too far down the rabbit trail. Poor analogy with Windows Vista (you left out the 3 year delay by the way). PiP, BD-Live, and the exaggeration of "horridly" next to expensive, oh and studios bailing (as if there were just mass amounts that you imply).... i could smell you a mile away.

Once again, blame disney, not the blu-ray format.]]>Aug 31st 2007 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/
I'm not blaming disney, I have no problem with their mistmake.. in fact, I'm sure they'll get the framing issues correct on the HD DVD release :)
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you should blame disney... LOL nice suggestion for correction :)

Will:
No offense, but i'm questioning who the real guinny pig is with your comments ;)]]>Aug 31st 2007 12:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/
BD is the bistandard in this issue, it's not the focal point, the focal point is disney, as it may be a fair statement in the points he's making, it's out of context.

Did you actually admit liking to read anti-BD? As I am pro-Blu, I'm not stimulated by anti-HD-DVD articles, rather, just keep up the product news of BD and any other updates.]]>Aug 31st 2007 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/
The game was created with 16x9 in mind, and when it came time to decide how to display it on 4:3 screens, they decided to open up the field rather than crop it.

In other words, 16x9 owners don't lose anything, it's 4:3 owners that gain. You may argue that's just an issue of semantics, but the difference lies in the artist's intent. When you view the game in 16x9 you see what the creators of the game intended you to see, and thereby won't risk missing any important information.

This is basically the same issue as open matte when it comes to films. Some widescreen movies show less than their fullscreen counterparts, but when it was shot the director framed it with widescreen in mind, but kept the matted sections free of booms and whatnot, in order to be able simply open the frame instead of having to pan & scan for TV and fullframe DVD releases.]]>Sep 1st 2007 7:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 2:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/
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Apparently they don't go film->theatrical->home, they go film->theatrical and film->home. The original film itself is not widescreen, it needs to be framed for widescreen.
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All that aside, I own this disc and I really hope Disney steps up and replaces these discs. I had a smooth experience with replacing my mis-framed Back to the Future dvds. Disney should come through with this one.]]>Aug 31st 2007 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/
but yes, half-baked extra features (for now)...

@andres:
you're right, thats why it's bad to take a forum post, and make it news, but luckily this is engadget, it catches the attention of us geeks.]]>Aug 31st 2007 1:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/
I don't have access to the IMDB at work, but I'd think, based on what we're seeing, that PotC was filmed in Super35. This format is often used to shoot "cinemascope" widescreen films (2.35:1 approximate aspect ratio) without using the anamorphic lenses that stretch an image to fill the 35mm (1.33:1 aspect ratio) frame.

What the issue here, is does the DVD show what the director and cinematographer intended? Generally you follow the "rule of thirds" when composing a shot -- you want a person's eyes in the top third of the frame, you certainly don't want their head obscured unless it's for a certain effect. More picture information is necessarily better, what you want is the correctly composed frame to be displayed theatrically and at home.

I've seen films in the theaters that were displayed without the proper matting to crop from 1.33:1 to 1.85:1, and films where the projectionist misaligned the frame, neither is a good experience. (FTR, Art School Confidential, when seen without matting, can be easily referred to as "Boom Mic Confidential," but thankfully I can say that seeing Christopher Lloyd's head cut off by bad projection in "My Favorite Martian" didn't hurt the movie.. it was terrible any way you sliced it).

The comments on Bioshock don't really apply here either; that was clearly a design decision on the game development end. Film and video games are very different mediums.

Disney needs to redo this transfer and exchange discs - Universal had a very similar screw-up with the DVD edition of one of the Back to the Future movies on the first run. It's not something that should slip past whomever is doing quality control. Unacceptable on any format.]]>Aug 31st 2007 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/]]>Aug 31st 2007 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/]]>Aug 31st 2007 1:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/
Star Trek VI is a perfect example of what TO do. The widescreen DVD reveals more film image than was shown in the theater.

I blame Disney, not Blu-ray.]]>Aug 31st 2007 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/
-- "Should movies filmed in Super35 be artificially cropped to mimic the 2.35:1 aspect ratio of the alleged "Panavision" presentation in the theater?"

A director does not arbitrarily set up a camera and say "ok, shoot this scene." Care is taken to framing, composition, color balance, continuity in editing, etc etc etc. While PotC is by no means an artistic masterpiece, presenting it in a different aspect ratio than the filmmakers intended would be no different than painting a top and bottom onto The Last Supper to make it fit better in a different frame.
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That bottom part you aren't SUPPOSE to see. Look at the last set of screenshots on the AVS link. They're suppose to be fighting way up high on rafters but in the mis-framed Blu-ray and the open matte shot you can clearly see the floor of the set.

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Hopefully news of this will spread, and ALL of the studios will take note. QC needs to be more of a priority in EVERY STEP of the process.]]>Aug 31st 2007 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/Aug 31st 2007 8:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/31/blu-rays-pirates-of-the-caribbean-release-has-framing-issues/
I really can't believe that they noticed it, but was to late to do anything about it and released it as was anyway in the hope no one noticed it and released a fixed version later.
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These movies have been out since may and been reviewed and put under the magnifying glass hundreds of times. There are no real framing issues on these movies on BD.

I have them both and I've seen them several time, they're crystal clear and no real framing issues. Framing is just fine.
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