http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/ Engadget HD Comments for Fox's new Blu-ray titles with BD+ won't play in all players http://hd.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://hd.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 3rd 2007 8:31PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 3rd 2007 10:08PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 3rd 2007 11:27PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
Only The Day After Tomorrow uses BD+. The Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer is a BD-J issue.

According to Samsung, the new firmware update to fix this will be out in 1-2 weeks.

Both movies work flawlessly on many BD players include the PS3.]]>Oct 3rd 2007 8:37PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 3rd 2007 8:38PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
Oh wait...]]>Oct 3rd 2007 8:53PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Sony 300 -- Plays both DAT and FF2 fine
Sony S1 -- Plays FF2 fine, slow load
Panasonic -- Plays both DAT and FF2 fine, but with slow load times
Samsung BD-P1400 -- Plays both DAT and FF2 fine
Pioneer -- plays both fine

But...
Samsung BD-1000 -- plays the movie (both? one?), but frequent skips
Samsung BD-1200 -- claims to require updated firmware to play, or other related playback issues.
LG 100 -- Refuses to play (either?) movie, requiring a firmware update]]>Oct 3rd 2007 9:13PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 3rd 2007 9:39PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/]]>Oct 3rd 2007 9:54PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
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"Why people will put up this crap is beyond me."]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:13AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Home Theater System - $2500
1080P BD Player - $650
Day After Tommarow BD - $30

Not being able to play a $30 legitimate copy of HD content on a $5650+ system - Priceless
For everything else there is piratebay.

I understand this is a fluke but you would think that with the format war hot and heavy, the BDA would force a test on ALL blue-ray players of this NEVER USED BEFORE BD+ to MAKE SURE it would work before releasing the content...
]]>Oct 3rd 2007 11:40PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/- Some sucker buying a Stand-Alone $650 player and NOT going with a $499 PS3 - Priceless
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Another reason why I choose HD DVD and will continue to do so.]]>Oct 4th 2007 1:25AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
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Ha ha!]]>Oct 4th 2007 6:44AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
It's easier to force 1 company to conform to a standard than multiple ones.]]>Oct 4th 2007 7:29AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/ It's easier to force 1 company to conform to a
> standard than multiple ones.

Not true -- if the companies followed the Blu-Ray STANDARD, it wouldn't be a problem. But they can't because that standard is always changing - it's a moving target at this point.

There are dozens (hundreds?) of different DVD players out there, but have you ever worried about a disk not playing on your DVD player? The ONLY issue I can remember is that some old players had a hard time with Matrix when it first came out. Other than that, things work as expected.]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:13AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 4th 2007 5:12PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:31AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
This is only the start.

If Blu-ray 'wins' people ought to expect more of this kind of thing with all sorts of compatibility problems and irritating delays as firmwares and fixes are needed just because of the so-called 'security' features Blu-ray has tried to make a virtue of.]]>Oct 4th 2007 8:43AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
Dave]]>Oct 4th 2007 9:02AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 4th 2007 9:15AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/If Fox is going to implement BD+, it should not disable the disk. Since there is a 2 week wait for FW, at least let them watch the movie instead of the Red screen. Lesser of two evils.]]>Oct 4th 2007 9:35AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 4th 2007 10:14AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 4th 2007 10:48AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 4th 2007 11:41AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 4th 2007 12:02PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 4th 2007 5:13PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Ben, i love the first sentence! Yup, we did see that one coming, miles away man! That's why people should stay away from Boo-Ray!!]]>Oct 4th 2007 12:44PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
Unfortunately, I think the consumers are going to have to find out the hard way.

With a number of profile updates still on the way, and a lack of mandatory hardware/software features, Blu-ray is most definitely half baked, and it's no one's fault but their own that the consumers are going to get screwed in the process.

If these problems persist, and more titles/players suffer from similar setbacks, you can bet that the average consumer will get wind of the news and steer clear of Blu-ray.

All I can say is that for Blu-ray's sake, their Spiderman release had better go off without a hitch, or it might be the beginning of the end for Blu-ray movies.

]]>Oct 4th 2007 2:40PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Still glad i have my $170 XB360 HD-DVD player, which has played every movie I have ever purchased for it, flawlessly.

another interesting story I came across today: http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/High-Def_Disc_Rentals/Netflix/Report:_Netflix_Users_Favor_HD_DVD/1036]]>Oct 4th 2007 3:12PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 9th 2007 11:47PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 4th 2007 5:38PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
At least if Blue-Ray looses the battle, we would still have a PS3 and not the equivalent of a Beta Max.

- Roger]]>Oct 4th 2007 7:53PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 4th 2007 8:05PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 8th 2007 7:54AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.]]>Oct 5th 2007 6:27AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
But it sits and collects dust. What a waste right. HD-DVD player runs all the time.

-dad]]>Oct 4th 2007 9:12PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/Oct 4th 2007 10:28PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
". . . a number of people are reporting problems with 20th Century Fox's new Blu-ray releases, The Day After Tomorrow and Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer. What we're hearing from our sources is that the problem is related to compatibility issues with the new BD-Java features on the discs, not to BD+ (as is rumored online). The discs are working fine on players from Pioneer, Sony (including the PS3), Panasonic and others, but it's having playback issues on some models from Korean manufacturers Samsung, Philips and LG. The studio tells us, however, that these issues are easily addressable with simple firmware updates. So if you're experiencing a problem, contact your manufacturer to request a firmware update disc or visit their support page online to download the latest firmware (click on the links provided). If an update isn't yet available for your model of player to address this issue, make sure they know you need one."

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/]]>Oct 4th 2007 10:40PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
This is not big deal, period. First of all, Blu-ray is not 'constantly changing' and people who say that sound like complete idiots. There have been clear step changes to the spec and they're backwards compatible. It is NOT the spec. If you think it is, you're an idiot.

People also seem to forget that DVD, which was a single spec, had this kind of issue early on. There were titles that worked on some players and not others. Lots of glitches. Stuttering playback. The works. Even if you have one standard, you have many implementations. Look at WiFi - even with certification and testing, there are still conflicts between products from time to time.

These issues get ironed out over time as ambiguities in the spec language get clarified, test suites are improved to catch these cases, etc. It just isn't a big deal.

The HD DVD camp might gloat now - but ironically HD DVD has been fortunate because it has weak vendor support. It is largely a mono-culture. Toshiba is the dominant player and nearly *all* standalone players in use are Toshiba. Next is Microsoft - and they worked hand-in-hand with Toshiba on their software. They share an implementation, so it may as well be the same vendor.

If HD DVD ever takes off and you start having 3rd party vendors, those heralded cheap Chinese players, etc - expect some problems. HD DVD would have the same issues as every other damn technology with multiple implementations in the early stages.

Be careful about slamming the BDA too hard for this - if HD DVD ever catches on, you may have to eat your words.
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But I have never been a huge fan of DRM. Its not for the consumer (If you as a consumer think otherwise, Im sorry to hear that). This is a prime example of why alot of people wont go for BD. Anything anyone says here is a direct reflection of what the BD format offers, period. And those saying that any 3rd party player from other manufactures would have the same issues, im sorry, but you are wrong. The players wouldnt be perfect, but it wouldnt be failing playback due to DRM. This is a DRM issue and its pissing legit customers off.

-dad]]>Oct 5th 2007 2:41PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/10/03/foxs-new-blu-ray-titles-with-bd-wont-playing-in-all-players/
OCT. 4 | 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment is aware of consumers experiencing playback problems on Oct. 2 Blu-ray Disc release The Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, but the studio believes the issues are confined to a limited number of players.

According to postings on home theater enthusiast sites such as www.avsforum.com, complaints are arising from people running the disc on Samsung’s second-generation BD-P1200 model and LG’s first-generation dual-format BH100 player.

It’s unclear what specifically is tripping up the players, Fantastic Four does boast some of Fox’s most advanced technology yet, including BD-Java-powered extras and BD+ copy protection.

Steve Feldstein, Fox senior VP of marketing communications, points out that overall reviews have been favorable for Fantastic Four. He advises consumers having difficulties to contact manufacturer support lines directly.

“We are releasing more and more advanced interactive titles, and consumers should lobby their hardware manufacturers to release firmware upgrades post haste,” said Feldstein. “The title was well-reviewed and playing well on updated players.”

Samsung “should have something up soon,” according to a support line staffer, who said he had received some complaints from those viewing Fantastic Four on the P1200.

The LG dual-format player is already considered weakened by the fact that it can’t fully playback HDi, the interactivity technology for the HD DVD format.
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