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Transformers still has legs which is good news. Thats about all the good news for HD-DVD though. Those HD-DVD players might be keeping the ratios from hitting 80/20 or worse, but that's not much in the way of consolation. Hitting the 750k player sales mark is nice but it still pales to the 2m (or is it 2.4m?) ps3's in the US. Even if only 1/2 are used to play blu-rays, that's still 1m+ ps3s, coupled with the 200-300k standalones.
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Not suggesting shady numbers but that's one possible reason why Open Season would be on the list...]]>Nov 30th 2007 7:45PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 3:24PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 3:26PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 11:30PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 3:33PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Yup, and since Wal-Mart doesn't report DVD sales to Nielson, those people who bought their players at Wal-Mart are likely buying their movies there too... Which aren't being counted.

I really wish we could've seen last week's numbers -- being that it was the first with Shrek 3 I believe... Oh well.

ANd to say that HD DVD is dead because of these numbers is ridiculous. If you think that, then you must also think that the PS3 is dead. Assassin's Creed on the 360, for example, outsold the PS3 version 2.1:1. The highest PS3 game on the sales list is 16th, and overall titles were nearly 3:1. Does that mean PS3 is dead? No. I've been saying for awhile - both will probably end up living.]]>Nov 30th 2007 3:45PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Please leave and engage in self-fornication.]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:01PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
They'll both be around until the movie studios end it by all going to one side, or all going neutral.]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:55PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 3:35PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Man I'm just curious how you support that statement? I mean no one responded for a bit to your post so you must either be blindly biased to HD (which a quick review of your posts supports) or just didn't feel like supporting your comment... ?

How are weekly and yearly disc sales fluff any more than stand alone player sales that you would probably tout? They're factual numbers, not fanboy fortune stroking like you and supporters of both sides are continously guilty of.

You're a fan of the "HD DVD isn't going anywhere" statement so let me ask you, with BD capable player sales spiking world wide via the PS3, and yearly and monthly BD disc sales ratios clobbering HD's again in the US and overseas do YOU see BD going anywhere?]]>Nov 30th 2007 3:55PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 3:42PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 3:51PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
I tried to pick one up and none of the Wal marts around me had any and the ones that did were sold out almost immediately. So the sale was known about by a lot of people. So you can't assume that the people who bought these where all regular Wal-mart shoppers who buy all their dvd's there. More likely they where people who knew about the sale and went to pick one up.

So while you would have gotten a boost from the free disks given away with the player, you wouldn't necessarily see a boost from repeat disk buying business. So in the end your right back to the point that if Wal-mart doesn't report HD-DVD sales to Neilson then they don't report Blu-ray so it's a wash.

So just like and other statistical sampling you can't take the Neilson as 100% fact but only as an overall indicator of what is happening. ]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:01PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Ideally in a dual format world every publisher would publish to both formats.
Retailers will refuse to stock both formats though since they can't afford the room for all movies/tv shows on all formats.
The retailer is forced to stock the format which brings in teh most money for it.

Again this line of reasoning doesn't work for games because the gaming industry has high turnover in stock, people don't collect games the way they collect movies, so retailers only have to allot a small space to each console to sell the latest games.]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:03PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 4:41PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Thanks in advance.]]>Nov 30th 2007 3:54PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
http://www.engadgethd.com/tag/VideoScan/]]>Nov 30th 2007 3:58PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 4:03PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Blu-ray is headed for being a PS3 proprietary format, pure an simple.
It will be to PS3 as UMD is to PSP
(with a small PC burner element tacked on, unless they can do something very quickly about the prices they are looking for there and HD DVD doesn't take that market too)

But Blu-ray/PS3 will still be a market of millions to sell to but it will not be 'the' adult a/v market.
How long it will last is an open question.....how long will UMD last?
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Is this really even news then?


Isn't that kind of like saying, "Consumer spending this Christmas season is down by half year over year."*

*not including any brick and mortar retail sales]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:07PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 4:10PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 4:37PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/hom112507/index.php

Last weeks numbers that people may have missed were.

BD 66% HD 34%]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:13PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 4:21PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 4:28PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Alternatively, if you cared enough about these sales numbers, you could buy your discs from a retailer who does report to Nielsen and refuse to buy them from Wallworld until they do report them.]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:30PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Also, if trying to argue that counting Wal-Mart would have helped HD-DVD because of the A2 sale and in turn those individuals buying HD-DVD's as well, Sy makes a good point in his post:

"Walmart had tons of special on Blu-ray last week, including the 15 free Blu-ray titles with the purchase of a PS3. Those 10 free movies would of counted in the survey."

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Just curious what's going through their greedy little heads. Loyalty vs. $ ]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:28PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
From a production point of view it would make sense to evaluate your costs for a single format release, then *port* to the second format. The question is, does Warner produce the movie for Blu-ray first, and port to HD-DVD, or the other way around, as that could shed light on which format they base long term budgeting and sales/cost ratio projections.]]>Nov 30th 2007 5:09PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Features/hidef_wars.asp?view=1&userid=99366076419157

At this point the HD DVD fanatics are just simply acting indignantly. In the face of pure facts that show they're getting owned, they'll use whatever nonsensical rationality to try and make themselves feel better for gambling and losing.

There's nothing wrong with taking a chance on a new technology ... but when you start losing, don't try to pretend you're not ... it's like if you are dealt 15 in black jack and you hit ... then you bust ... then the dealer flips over to show 21 ... and you try to rationalize why you still should have won that hand.

At the very best you might have tied ... but HD DVD ... you keep gambling even though you're cheating schemes won't work ... you've been caught ... you're losing money ... it sucks to be you ... but it sure as heck is fun to watch!

Keep it up! Blu-ray will continue to widen it's lead ... and we'll laugh as HD DVD keeps getting knocked down ... but don't worry ... when HD DVD fans finally wise up ... and decide to switch over ... we'll be happy to welcome you into the Blu-ray family ... or ... we might spit in your face ... depends on how indignant you had acted through this whole "race".

Go blu, or go to hell :)]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:29PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 4:33PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 4:49PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/

My question and point about walmart was just that if you exclude half of the sales data and report the results, isn't your margin of error 50%?

If your margin of error is 50%, then it's pretty much just a shot in the dark.


I'm sure walmart sells tons of both formats. Which is exactly my point.]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:37PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 5:24PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Does Toshiba count free movies in their number as well ?

I'm confused how can you count the give away discs, these numbers don't mean anything if either side is counting "free" movies. ]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:38PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
So for example any BOGO's get counted as two sales, while disks which are in a box don't get counted.

Both sides have BOGO's and both have disks in the box, plus they both have disks you can get my mail for free. ]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:50PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 5:02PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Do a little research on statistics. When professional polls are taken, they'll often use a random sample of less than 1% of the population. Yet, their margin for error is very small.

When elections happen in the US, news stations start reporting results for entire states when only a small number of results have actually been counted. Heck, they start reporting results based on a small number of "exit polls" - verbal feedback from a few voters on their way out of the voting booth. Still, the margin of error is small...things only go wrong when results are near 50-50 -- in that case, a small margin of error swings the results to one candidate or another.]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:56PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/Nov 30th 2007 4:38PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Exactly, so far we've purchased 90% of our Bluray titles at Walmart....]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:51PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Actually, I'm the evil Raydeen but that is ok :-)

I just wanted to understand what is being counted and where the total numbers are coming from is all.]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:54PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Be careful what you wish for.]]>Nov 30th 2007 4:55PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
Why is this brought up just about every week like its some sort of surprise and a failure of the statistical system?]]>Nov 30th 2007 5:00PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/11/30/nielsen-videoscan-high-def-market-share-for-week-ending-november/
All you guys that say people have the "choice" to buy HD at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. obviously don't live in rural America. In the last two cities I lived in (in two different states), they both had Walmart SuperCenters but a Best Buy or Circuit City wasn't within an hour and a half drive.

Walmart has ~3700 stores in the United States.
Best Buy has ~1000 stores in the United States AND Canada.

How can you NOT count Walmart and still have accurate numbers for the whole country? Without Walmart you're only counting metropolitan areas.
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