http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/ Engadget HD Comments for Samsung's BD-UP5000 HD DVD / Blu-ray player on sale, in the wild http://hd.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://hd.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/Dec 16th 2007 3:14PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/Dec 16th 2007 4:10PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/Dec 16th 2007 4:47PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/Dec 16th 2007 5:10PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/...Or it's a way for Samsung too upgrade to spec 2.0 BR players by default, by the fact that they have been joined with a HD DVD player, and without the embarrassment of waiting for the BDA to get there act together.]]>Dec 16th 2007 9:09PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/Dec 17th 2007 3:34AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/Dec 16th 2007 7:30PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/Dec 16th 2007 7:53PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/
I am soooo tired of HDDVD fans touting their "complete" specs, "complete" specs are subjective. I consider "Complete" specs as being able to store 50+Gb on a single disc, scratch proof coating, 1080p output, oh yeah, I know the 3rd gen HDDVD player now has 1080p output, too bad the "complete" specs of the previous 2 gens weren't so complete and those poor souls who want 1080p output will have to buy new hardware, blah bla, blah bla, blah......if all you can claim is "complete" specs, then I'm happy for ya....]]>Dec 16th 2007 10:52PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/Dec 16th 2007 10:08PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/
You know, once upon a time, I owned an Commodore Amiga computer. I thought it would eventually clobber the competition and dethrone Apple and Windows machines, boy was I stupid. When all I could get for my Amiga is the occasional software title released by die-hard software companies partial to it, I realized that it was time to jump ship and sell it. Now, here we are, more titles being sold for Blu than Red each week, it won't be too long before the weekly $$$ start to sway heavily on investors and retailers, the one that brings in the most $$$ is the one that will win, which one is that currently??? And try to be intellectually honest....no spin zone....]]>Dec 16th 2007 10:59PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/@JimC
Im soooo tired of BR fans touting their product is superior, when it clearly is not.
50 GB, who cares, it makes NO difference to the movie watching experience at all, and to crow that BR is superior in a next gneration format war when BR does not have any next generation features it's ridiculous.
The only reason BR has any lead over HD DVD is because of PS3, it has nothing to do with BR's supposed quality or superiority.Without PS3, there is no blu ray.
If the playing fields were level there would be no war, if sony hadn't withheld content there would be no war, BR is the reason for the current format war debacle.
Blu ray is an extremely expensive DVD player that offers better video and audio quality over standard DVD, that's it, nothing else, period.

At least if your going to have a format war, bring a finished product to the table, a product that has some next generation features, and not some half assed, unfinished beta product that BR is,.... and the 1080i v 1080p is a load of marketing BS & you know it. If you want 1080p, either format can provide and always has, if you don't need it because it is marketing BS and most TVs aren't compatible yet anyway, save some $, at least thats an option that again, BR cant provide.

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Looks like you've backed the same horse again, as Nelson would say..HA HA]]>Dec 17th 2007 1:34AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/
I have 3 1080i TV's...PLEASE tell me how I will benefit from 1080P or how anyone with a sub-60" TV can benefit from it.

A 1080P Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player wouldn't affect...oh...around 90% of the HDTV owners out there today so who cares?]]>Dec 17th 2007 12:37AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/Dec 17th 2007 11:42AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/
"50 GB, who cares, it makes NO difference to the movie watching experience at all"
It doesn't matter if the material you want can fit in it, but as HDDVD has experienced already, lossless encodings take up space, it has to go somewhere, so far it has been limited in its effect and many argue the lossy encodings are "good enough" well ok, but it is still not "the best" if you encode with a lossy codec. As more movies of monger length are brought to HD and the cost of each disc is weighed on the producer, being able to fit the entire content on one 50GB disc or having to split over 2 disc can be huge in manufacturing costs. Blu-ray currently has the edge in this area and has even higher capacity discs coming. This can play a huge factor in studios manufacturing costs and even packaging and marketing. So while technically to the end consumer it may cost in video or audio quality (via compression needed) or by inconvenience (by having to put a second disc in), it may also affect end users by costs (two disc set to offset manufacturing costs). So yes a 50Gb disc is important. Further on down the line, with 100Gb and 200Gb discs, whole TV seasons can be placed on fewer discs, vastly reducing costs.....so capacity is a key factor....

"The only reason BR has any lead over HD DVD is because of PS3" perhaps or it could be the titles available. I don't have a PS3. I purchased my blu-ray solely based on what titles were available for the format and by which companies were backing it, this gave me the confidence that it would have the greater chance to survive. Granted, Microsoft having thrown its weight behind HDDVD has given the format some muscle but as I have stated before, MS cannot with all its money, cause better title selection with the studios that currently release HDDVD content. So their effect is limited to getting more hardware out there and investing in "bribes"....]]>Dec 17th 2007 12:07PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/]]>Dec 17th 2007 1:30AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/
You clearly just don't understand how the technology works.

And interlace vs progressive doesn't have any business in a debate about HDM. It has to do with display, not the media. It's simple, really. Luckily most all Blu-ray and HD DVD movies are in 1080p/24. If you've got a 720p/1080i display, luckily with HD DVD you have the option to get a cheaper player. Or you can future proof and get a 1080p player so your good for the future, too. Or if you're really smart, you won't wast extra money on a progressive player, because if you have a progressive display its going to deinterlace and display is progressively anyways. Unless you have a rubbish tv, at which point it doesn't matter much anyways.

1080i crt rptv with my trusty HD-A1. And it looks better than 95% of you with fancy new-fangled display technologies.

Hmm... why do you think post production houses use almost entirely CRTs? Because chroma and luminance accuracy are imperative.]]>Dec 17th 2007 3:47AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/
But again my only reason for mentioning wa to highlight the sheer lunacy of touting any complete specs based on PiP or web enabled crap if the majority of your installed base now is not capable of displaying the 1080p content (mocking the obsolete garbage being hocked here about blur-ray profile 1.0 players)....in short if it works for you, then it is not obsolete...]]>Dec 17th 2007 11:56AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/Dec 17th 2007 4:08AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/http://hd.engadget.com/2007/12/16/samsungs-bd-up5000-hd-dvd-blu-ray-player-on-sale-in-the-wild/Dec 25th 2007 1:48AM