http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/ Engadget HD Comments for Samsung's BD-UP5000 is failing to deliver http://hd.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://hd.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 5:07PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/summer. Heck, DTS MA and Dolby True with 7.1 analogs, the Reon HQV
upscaler and the ability to play both formats with interactivity.
Wow, what a combo, it looked like the perfect player. When these
started hitting the stores, I tried desparately to find one and they
were all snapped up. I already own blu-ray discs and a PS3, but
wanted to go format neutral and the addition of the HQV and internal
decoding of the new sound formats would allow me to keep my Denon
receiver with 7.1 analog inputs but no HDMI.

Then 2 things happened. Early reports showed problems. I wasn't all
that concerned with the sound problems, because with the Samsung
1400, they released firmware to allow for DTS Master and Dolby true,
so I am sure that is coming any day. But the 2nd thing that happened
was Warner going blu. That's when I realized I can spend the $800 on
a really good Denon, Pioneer Elite or Sony ES blu-ray player!!

Samsung made this the ultimate combo player. The LG cannot tout 7.1
analogs and the Reon, nor DTS Master (yet). I truly believe there
will be firmware updates to improve this player and allow for the new
sound formats, though with all the delays, I believe this player
should have been ready by now. With the Sammy 1400 blu-ray player, it
was only 2 weeks after the players release that Samsung updated the
player for the new sound formats. That is probably why there has been
no review model sent to review sites. If you bought one, I truly
believe this player will be capable with updates coming very soon.
This player has not yet had a wide release and I believe the updates
will come around that time. Amazon doesn't even have them yet.

But for me, I don't want to spend money on getting into hd-dvd
anymore. Before Warner, it looked feasable, and my instincts told me
Warner might go hd-dvd instead of blu. But now, I will wait for the
Panny bd50 player that has internal decoders and is 2.0, and just use
my PS3 for upconverting regular dvds. I have seen upscalers on
Toshiba, Panasonic and Sony stand-alones, and the PS3 has one of the
best upscalers on the market.]]>Jan 12th 2008 10:56PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12792600&posted=1

Hopefully a firmware revision will fix these sorts of issues.
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I agree with Dan though, Samsung needs to state their audio plans soon or a lot of people are going to return their 5000's.]]>Jan 12th 2008 5:21PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 5:32PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 5:47PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
But hey, I hear they'll have a successor in October that will reportedly do what the 5000 was SUPPOSED to do. I guess they figured they could sell the 5000 and have consumers be their testers rather than pay their employees to do it in-house. BRILLIANT!]]>Jan 12th 2008 5:54PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
COME ON!!!!!]]>Jan 12th 2008 5:54PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 6:07PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 9:16PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 9:21PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 6:12PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 7:00PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
I for one welcome this dual-format effort, as it would mean that studios could pick whatever was the most economically sound and/or quality for them, and the consumer wouldn't have to know, but it's not shaping up to be that.

I'm sure a few Blu fanboys will jump all over this with glee, as a dual-format player failing is probably good for Blu in some obscure way (though I'm having trouble imagining an early Blu player being so dismally bad being good for the format) but in my book, this is yet another reason I need to sit out another year and enjoy the fact that my A3 plays standard DVDs every bit as well as an Oppo ;-)]]>Jan 12th 2008 7:07PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 7:09PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 7:21PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 8:03PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
Dual format players are the way to go - as long as even ONE major studio is exclusive to either format. There's lots of speculation and hearsay from owners and others about timelines for upgrades to this unit - it's a shame to see engadget issue a "report" based purely on comments posted on forums. I'm not sure how this helps anyone. Instead of just waiting for a review unit (read "freebie") if you really want to be of service to your readers why not go out and buy one to test (return it in 30 days if you can't afford it) or contact Samsung directly for some answers rather than relying on hearsay.]]>Jan 12th 2008 7:21PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
See my comments above!]]>Jan 12th 2008 7:23PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
I think combo players are great for the market, but we need to keep manufacturers accountable if we expect them to be any good. ]]>Jan 12th 2008 7:47PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
This is a blog site, not Reuters. Do you prefer to get all your HD news from Sony, Toshiba, and the BDA?]]>Jan 12th 2008 8:59PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 8:17PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 8:53PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
Every player has had issues with BD+, especially as implemented by Fox. Again one of the things that kept HD DVD alive so long.

So, is your pique because it is as substandard as many other blu-ray players, or because you don't have your review unit yet?]]>Jan 12th 2008 9:11PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 12th 2008 9:44PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
Samsung has a habit of rushing things to market. It also keeps release new products with the old one still broken, i.e. BDPU5500.]]>Jan 12th 2008 10:25PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
Then 2 things happened. Early reports showed problems. I wasn't all that concerned with the sound problems, because with the Samsung 1400, they released firmware to allow for DTS Master and Dolby true, so I am sure that is coming any day. But the 2nd thing that happened was Warner going blu. That's when I realized I can spend the $800 on a really good Denon, Pioneer Elite or Sony ES blu-ray player!!

Samsung made this the ultimate combo player. The LG cannot tout 7.1 analogs and the Reon, nor DTS Master (yet). I truly believe there will be firmware updates to improve this player and allow for the new sound formats, though with all the delays, I believe this player should have been ready by now. With the Sammy 1400 blu-ray player, it was only 2 weeks after the players release that Samsung updated the player for the new sound formats. That is probably why there has been no review model sent to review sites. If you bought one, I truly believe this player will be capable with updates coming very soon. This player has not yet had a wide release and I believe the updates will come around that time. Amazon doesn't even have them yet.

But for me, I don't want to spend money on getting into hd-dvd anymore. Before Warner, it looked feasable, and my instincts told me Warner might go hd-dvd instead of blu. But now, I will wait for the Panny bd50 player that has internal decoders and is 2.0, and just use my PS3 for upconverting regular dvds. I have seen upscalers on Toshiba, Panasonic and Sony stand-alones, and the PS3 has one of the best upscalers on the market.]]>Jan 12th 2008 10:50PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
He went to avsforum to a thread of actual owners (I have owned one since before Christmas) and everything he says is true. For a flagship player, this unit is very crippled. Samsung has been completely silent and we deserve answers. He isnt making this stuff up, these aren't isolated issues and need to be addressed. ]]>Jan 12th 2008 11:09PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 13th 2008 1:54AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 13th 2008 4:28AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/(and that if you own profile 1.0 & profile 1.1 Blu-ray players and do have severe problems you are on your own, you knew what you were getting into, suckers)

Why would anyone buy anything Blu-ray that wasn't profile 2.0?

(which is coming who knows when & for who knows how much for what spec)

All they can offer right now is the mere 'expectation' that the PS3 will be ok (which is hardly a categorical answer either way).

That's pretty cr@p if a limited & over-priced game console isn't your idea of a standalone player for your a/v rack.

After the whining of the Blu-ray fanclub over whether the 51gb TL HD DVD discs might have caused Toshiba HD A1 owners some problems in being able to make use of that 3rd layer their silence on this is as hypocritical as it is deafening.]]>Jan 13th 2008 10:58AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
(After what the BDA said about profile 1.0 & profile 1.1 players having problems with the coming final profile 1.0 spec stuff)

should have read "coming final profile 2.0 spec stuff" ]]>Jan 13th 2008 12:01PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/Jan 13th 2008 1:18PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/12/samsungs-bd-up5000-is-failing-to-deliver/
Or you can get this beast, knowing that it is imcomplete but is spec'ed to do every last thing you need (full decodes, 7.1 out, both formats, one remote, one player and one system config for all DVD-like objects (important to other family members)). The only thing I would wish for would be DivX. Cost: about $800, and hopefully done.

Yes, there are bugs and burrs. But everything has them. Compare the Blu-ray performance of a Mark 1 2006 PS3 to a fully updated one and you'll get my point.
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