http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/ Engadget HD Comments for Blu-ray early adopters "knew what they were getting into," apparently http://hd.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://hd.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/I like the ethernet port! that came on my hd dvd player from day one. my dad who is retired over 70 asked me which player to buy for his brand new hdtv i explained about the format war told him also that bd will prob win the format war (i thought it would go longer) so i told him to get an hd dvd player because he cannot use a computer to save his life and burning an iso is out of the question and i live like 2000 miles away i cannot do it and him send in for firmware updates from the manufacturer every couple weeks is out of the question. there is my rant i do actually like the extra features in hd dvd but hey they will some day be on bd and not even talking about the audio on hd dvd that are not available on most bd players like true hd dts mastered dts hd that i picked up my new surround sound system for. maybe one day "ALL" bd players will have them but not as of now. Don't get me wrong i really like bd but it a work in progress.
Thanks]]>Mar 4th 2008 1:25AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 9:18PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 15th 2008 12:49AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 9:22PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 10:01PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
Where does this misinformation keep coming from. All Blu-Ray discs will play on all Blu-Ray players. The only difference is that an older player might not be able to show all of the special features.]]>Jan 14th 2008 10:45PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
Didn't you read all the articles? Sony has basically accepted that old players will not play profile 2.0 movies. Hopefully PS3 will work whenever the firmware gets updated.]]>Jan 14th 2008 11:03PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 11:28PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Not sure how that's the case, my understanding (could be wrong here) is HD-DVD players may not accept the newer triple layer discs that were to come out. Original DVD Players never played blank DVD media either.

An early adopter that cries over his technology not working, needs to get out of the fire and join the "normies" a few years after the technology settles down. ]]>Jan 14th 2008 11:29PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
Profile 2.0 adds internet connectivity and increases the required storage space. Older players will still play discs at the 2.0 spec, but will not be able to access the internet.

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9808376-1.html]]>Jan 15th 2008 12:23AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
OK, so the format war is over, and HD DVD lost. And if consumer confidence wrt the global economy and on a smaller scale the stability and cost of entry on Blu-Ray doesn't improve, so will it, and then all of us who want on-demand high-def movies at home lose.

Saying 'it beat HD DVD handily' isn't enough. It's still a niche format and that isn't likely to change real soon.]]>Jan 15th 2008 12:20PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 9:23PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 9:28PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
My conscience is clear, I voted red!

This is a staggering read!
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08012/848675-96.stm
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Any BD-Live disc (i.e. profile 2.0) will play on current blu-ray players but it won't be able to connect to the internet (it's hard with no ethernet port) and can't do PiP unless it was able to get a firmware update to profile 1.1.

Please stop making this about anything other than special features which personally are pointless since the only special features i have ever found cool have been LotR and the Planet Earth (which for whatever stupid reason aren't on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray versions)]]>Jan 15th 2008 12:39AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
I wouldn't trust anything they had to say. They are by far the most bias site I have ever seen.]]>Jan 14th 2008 9:48PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 15th 2008 9:28AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
Having a 1.0 player today is fine. Most people who are into all the bonus features are movie nuts, and they have been through this before. They knew what was comming.]]>Jan 14th 2008 9:52PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 9:53PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/(and the BDA and their shills lied about it & tried to say it was all just HD DVD FUD).

Well now the mass-market is finding out.

Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory Blu-ray.

LMAO.]]>Jan 14th 2008 10:00PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
Early adopter *DO* know what they're getting into, its par for the course. Elevator made it abundantly clear with with his DVD analogy. Only stereo sound, couldn't even play CDs.

Also, there's HDTV in general. What about those HDTVs that only had Component or BNC, or those with DVI, but didn't have HDCP support?]]>Jan 14th 2008 10:44PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
From a PR perspective, IF they indeed say it, it's not the smartest thing to say about your early adopters, even though it is TRUE, just like any new technology that early adopters buy.

You need to quit your job at Toshiba and apply with SONY... your on a sinking ship with no life raft.]]>Jan 14th 2008 10:45PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 11:14PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
Early adopters who just have to have the latest thing run the risk of being screwed over... iPhone owners anyone? ]]>Jan 14th 2008 11:22PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
The same thing did not happen with DVD, the spec was finalized before it was released. The only thing that change during the course of DVD was the switch from DVD9 to DVD18 when it became more affordable to studios and also studios realized that people were not happy with most of the DVD9 transfers. Other than that, DVD was fully functional out of the gate as far as features required in the spec.

DVD players did evolve, becoming quicker to load and adding supplement features, creature comforts. This is different from Blu-ray, which was rushed to the market and not we are left dealing with profile 1.0, 1.1 and 2.0. Whether people want to claim that it doesn't matter, that they won't use the features, that isn't the point. Blu-ray was released as a moving target, one that has already caused issues with disc not working and we are bound to have more with profile 2.0 discs coming out. PR can try to spin it how ever they want, saying that customers knew or whatever else they are spewing. Besides, most people aren't as tech savvy as most of us and most likely did not know what they were getting into.

I just don't see how people can try to justify and fully support a product that was not finish on release, but the company claiming they are working on it and it will be finished eventually. Who hear would buy a car for example, with out power windows, locks, a radio and other creature comforts when you know it will be added to that very car shortly? Maybe not the best example, but it is early and most should get the idea. You could try to say it is the price of being an early adopter, but I don't buy it. When I think of being a early adopter, I think of paying for a premium and working through some minor, I stress minor, bugs. Not something that isn't complete, that would be called... beta testing.]]>Jan 15th 2008 8:11AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 15th 2008 9:33AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
Btw, my BDP-S1 is exactly what I wanted when I bought it in April. I knew the BD spec was changing and that might player probably wouldn't always have the latest bells and whistles. But guess what? It still does exactly what it said it was gonna do.

Sony has been very gracious enough to send me firmware updates everytime they make a change to their spec...for free. ]]>Jan 14th 2008 10:49PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 15th 2008 12:09AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 15th 2008 1:30AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 11:11PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/That is all the more reason it should have been right from day 1, there is 10 years of experience making DVDs to draw on.
I continually get flamed from the blu zombies torching me and any others who don't whole heartedly support them in what they believe, but
this is one major reason i will never support blu, they have convinced the early zealots that an anal probe at this point in time is OK, not for me!!
This is not acceptable, IMO opinion this was always part of the blu plan, a way to double dip and extort extra money out of the early adapters.
Combined with sony withholding content to force consumers to go blu and all the other dark dealings, blu is a disgrace, ..... IMO !
I am staggered in this day and age, any company or corporation can get away with what blu is trying to do with this whole sorry HD media saga.

Let the flaming begin, will the usual blu zombies step up to the plate and put me on the spit as they always do for having a different opinion to them.
How dare I!]]>Jan 14th 2008 11:18PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Many folks have purchased new DVD players over the past 10 years... do you call that double and triple dipping because the went from players with S-Video, to Component, to DVI and then to HDMI? From non-progressive to progressive scan and then to upscaling?

It's not about flaming you cause you're already burnt to a crisp, it's about your unintelligent comments about something you clearly have no clue about. ]]>Jan 15th 2008 12:23AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
WTF R U talking about!
Of course consumers are being forced, whether they know it or not, to buy BR.
If indeed HD DVD is dead, & Joe Schmo wants a HD player, he's going to have no choice, it's BR or the highway because of the BDA's anti consumer stance. Spin it anyway you want, consumers are getting a tooling from the BDA.
And next time, see if you can respond as an adult, without the adolescent name calling and verballing, you trash anyone and everyone that says anything you don't agree with, you & a few others here have become very aggressive and a real parasite at this forum.]]>Jan 15th 2008 12:38AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 11:34PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/ReadArticle.aspx?ArticleID=5266&PageNum=2

This is why we have a format war. Everyone BUT Toshiba (and NEC at the time) were working together on Blu Ray, but Toshiba, I think fueled by Microsoft, wanted instead to cause unneeded tension and headaches by trying to develop their own format so they could keep their cushy seat at the head of the DVD Forum, and probably making the most royalties from DVD.

We have Toshiba and MS to thank for this stupid format war, ever since 2002. Greed knows no bounds. But to hear the HD-DVD fanboys spins it, its the so-called evil Sony Corp, even though the core technology was first pioneered by Pioneer AND Sony. Everyone was working together just fine on ONE format until the knucklehead duo had to step in and screw up the program.]]>Jan 14th 2008 11:53PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
Back in December of 2006, I remember browsing the BD section at a store and 2 guys were snickering and laughing about how BD was clearly the next betamax. Who's laughing now? LOL, idiots.
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Even if I wanted to go Blu Ray I would still have to wait months for Profile 2.0 players to come out because I am not going to drop $400 on an obsolete model where some new movies might not work. And no its not just the extra features, they are expecting some Profile 2 movies to not play at all on older players.

Sony scores with another crappy format. Cough cough Mini-Disc, UMD, Betamax Cough cough.]]>Jan 14th 2008 11:38PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 11:43PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 11:48PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
Dude, you seriously need to do something about those spots!]]>Jan 14th 2008 11:56PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 14th 2008 11:57PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/hahahahahahaha, well done, except now your eyes look like you've been sharing that bong that xemumanic was talking about :)]]>Jan 15th 2008 12:25AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
Of course, I bought a PS3 because I bet it would be updated all the way to BD-Live - and it will be.
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In other words, don't use BS when you cry BS.]]>Jan 15th 2008 2:43PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.1

"The DVD specification requires that players and drives read dual-layer discs. There are very few units that have problems with dual-layer discs--this is a design flaw and should be corrected for free by the manufacturer. Some discs are designed with a "seamless layer change" that technically goes beyond what the DVD spec allows. This causes problems on a few older players."

So what were those "changes" to DVD again? Dual layer was part of the original spec. CD support? Not part of DVD spec (just an added feature on most players). Divx support? same deal. USB port? Same thing. mp3 discs? Same thing. Progressive scan? Thats a video connection, and has much less to do with the DVD format as opposed to the kind of display you're watching the DVDs on.

The fact is, the DVD spec was not changed to support any of these things. With blu-ray, the real problem is that the different profiles were known about but kept hush hush at first; we're also seeing an introduction of these profiles pretty quickly in the life of blu-ray & it's been stated repeatedly that the upgraded profiles could affect playback of the discs (maybe the movie, maybe just the extra content) in older players.
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Such is life, and yes, they should have known.

I think I'll be buying my PS3 just before the end of the month, when the 5-free Blu-ray offer is set to expire. It will sit nicely on top of my HD-A3. I may even rent Heavenly Sword one of these days.]]>Jan 15th 2008 3:19AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
It's correct.

Everyone of us ( Well maybe 98%) who bought a 1.0 profile player knew exactly what we where buying. I've never cared about special features and I never will. I just want to see the movie. I've got over 400 dvd's and have watch the special features on about 3 of them.

I went Blu specifically for it's potential. The need wasn't for just a format to replace movies, but also for data too and with the HD-DVD max stuck at 30GB it was never going to capture the data market.]]>Jan 15th 2008 5:38AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/
The majority of consumers will be buying a movie to watch a movie. All the petty arguments over unfinished specifications is moot. PiP and downloadable content are a nicety, nothing more. The movie experience is what counts. Extras are usually played, what? once? twice? It's the movie you go back to watch again and again.

Again, enough with people ranting BD early adopters will be screwed when the new profile players come out. Complete rubbish! Their players will still play the movie they purchased and the standard extras. PiP and downloadables will be unaccessable to unsupported players obviously. Anyone saying otherwise is just spreading FUD.

Early adopters of Blu-ray DID know what they were getting into.....High Definition movies!

If anyone is getting screwed it's HD DVD early adopters (and new) investing in a technology where the outlook is bleak! It tried. It failed!]]>Jan 15th 2008 5:40AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/01/14/blu-ray-early-adopters-knew-what-they-were-getting-into-appar/Jan 15th 2008 6:54AM