I will support HD DVD even if it is no longer supported. I refuse to support Sony because they release incomplete profiles alienating early adopters. I will NEVER buy a BD player ever.
P.S. I hate the name Blu-Ray. Is it that hard to spell blue correctly?
I will totally still support it. I still buy laserdiscs at the flea-market so I am looking forward to $3 HD-DVDs. Only problem is there is a lot more laserdiscs out there.
Nfinity and Truth Teller won't concede defeat while even a single HD DVD remains on the shelf of a thrift shop. That is because they are idiots, so emotionally invested in a $100 box that it has become an obsession for them.
@Peter, you claim profiles were "incomplete". How so? The specifications of Profile 1.0 have been long known. Why would someone buy a player if the specs didn't meet their requirements? Were they seriously expecting a blu ray player to grow an ethernet port? Maybe they should have waited or gone with a PS3 if that was their hope.
If you're claiming that the HD DVD specification had some advantages over Blu Ray profile 1.0 then yes it did. It had for example some marginal advantages such as PIP and internet connectivity. PIP is in profile 1.1 and if you absolutely must have internet connectivity for some crappy portal / shop then wait for profile 2.0.
A more sensible reason to wait if you must have a reason is so prices can drop and you have more choice. But for early adopters its their own damn fault if they bought a profile 1.0 player if they were holding out for features that only a later profile would provide.
@ DrXym, I think what people are saying about calling 1.0/1.1 incomplete is that it isn't the final spec of the player. Can a 2.0 disc play on a 1.0 player for the main feature? Yes. Can you access all the extra features that are available on that disc on the 1.0 player? You say you don't want it, and that's fine. But you don't speak for everyone that will buy a Blu-ray player. Right now it might be some cheap web portal that doesn't really add anything, but that doesn't mean that will always be that case. Who knows what studios can come up with. Achievement points were a little stupid in the beginnning of the 360's life on how you earned them, but developers got better at coming up with different ways to earn them. Just like these web portals. If I get a 1.0/1.1 player now because I don't care for the extras on the web, fine. But if a movie comes out with something really cool with the web extras in the future, I need to buy a new player to access it. Why not just wait until I can get a 2.0 player so I only have to buy one player instead of two? In the meantime, I'll watch my Blu-rays on my PS3.
SONY BETAMAX lost in the early 19080's, when VHS grew to over 90% of the market. Sony started producing VHS players in 1988, BUT DID NOT STOP MAKING BETAMAX PLAYERS UNTIL 2002. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax)
Sorry for the caps, but it is important to realize that many companies think it wise to support their customers well past the point where everyone else has moved on. Doesn't mean they are still trying to "win the war", it means that they feel responsible to their customers. They lose money at it, but they gain the trust of the affected customers.
Toshiba may well start making Blu-ray players (or, more likely, combo players), but if they just drop HD DVD they will lose forever those early adopters that have significant HD DVD collections. Which would be a stupid thing for Toshiba to do.
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$10 says that Nfinity and Truth Teller will still think HD DVD will win even after Toshiba folds.
another $10 if even after no support for HD DVD, they'll still support it
I will support HD DVD even if it is no longer supported. I refuse to support Sony because they release incomplete profiles alienating early adopters. I will NEVER buy a BD player ever.
P.S. I hate the name Blu-Ray. Is it that hard to spell blue correctly?
I will totally still support it. I still buy laserdiscs at the flea-market so I am looking forward to $3 HD-DVDs. Only problem is there is a lot more laserdiscs out there.
@Peter
uh huh. I bet you wont.
Nfinity and Truth Teller won't concede defeat while even a single HD DVD remains on the shelf of a thrift shop. That is because they are idiots, so emotionally invested in a $100 box that it has become an obsession for them.
@ Peter
every day words cannot be patented or use that way. Its not allowed.
@Peter, you claim profiles were "incomplete". How so? The specifications of Profile 1.0 have been long known. Why would someone buy a player if the specs didn't meet their requirements? Were they seriously expecting a blu ray player to grow an ethernet port? Maybe they should have waited or gone with a PS3 if that was their hope.
If you're claiming that the HD DVD specification had some advantages over Blu Ray profile 1.0 then yes it did. It had for example some marginal advantages such as PIP and internet connectivity. PIP is in profile 1.1 and if you absolutely must have internet connectivity for some crappy portal / shop then wait for profile 2.0.
A more sensible reason to wait if you must have a reason is so prices can drop and you have more choice. But for early adopters its their own damn fault if they bought a profile 1.0 player if they were holding out for features that only a later profile would provide.
@DrXym:
"That is because they are idiots, so emotionally invested in a $100 box that it has become an obsession for them."
Replace "$100" with "$500" and you're saying the EXACT same thing for many BD supporters.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
@ DrXym,
I think what people are saying about calling 1.0/1.1 incomplete is that it isn't the final spec of the player. Can a 2.0 disc play on a 1.0 player for the main feature? Yes. Can you access all the extra features that are available on that disc on the 1.0 player? You say you don't want it, and that's fine. But you don't speak for everyone that will buy a Blu-ray player. Right now it might be some cheap web portal that doesn't really add anything, but that doesn't mean that will always be that case. Who knows what studios can come up with. Achievement points were a little stupid in the beginnning of the 360's life on how you earned them, but developers got better at coming up with different ways to earn them. Just like these web portals. If I get a 1.0/1.1 player now because I don't care for the extras on the web, fine. But if a movie comes out with something really cool with the web extras in the future, I need to buy a new player to access it. Why not just wait until I can get a 2.0 player so I only have to buy one player instead of two? In the meantime, I'll watch my Blu-rays on my PS3.
SONY BETAMAX lost in the early 19080's, when VHS grew to over 90% of the market. Sony started producing VHS players in 1988, BUT DID NOT STOP MAKING BETAMAX PLAYERS UNTIL 2002. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax)
Sorry for the caps, but it is important to realize that many companies think it wise to support their customers well past the point where everyone else has moved on. Doesn't mean they are still trying to "win the war", it means that they feel responsible to their customers. They lose money at it, but they gain the trust of the affected customers.
Toshiba may well start making Blu-ray players (or, more likely, combo players), but if they just drop HD DVD they will lose forever those early adopters that have significant HD DVD collections. Which would be a stupid thing for Toshiba to do.