HD DVD deathwatch: we're making it official
By Darren Murph 
posted Feb 15th 2008 3:40PM
posted Feb 15th 2008 3:40PM
posted Feb 15th 2008 3:40PM
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When is the funeral?
looks like people pointing at 7 March.
Gotta get my black suit to the cleaners...
Why will it "die" if they stop promoting it?
Betamax didn't
SVHS didn't
MiniDisc didn't
VCD didn't
SACD didn't
DVD-A didn't
UMD didn't
Just more idiot propaganda from this site...
deathwatch needs to be for both formats as blu will fall to downloads (xstreamHD:)
Pathetic
Now that its over, Blu will not fail. If the format war had gone on for another year or 2 then I'd agree.
Digital downloads will be the future after Blu.
A lot of people want something tangable for their money and the internet speeds and the majority of the public is simply not ready to replace physical discs for movies yet.
Downloads are at least a decade away, and probably longer than that. You have a lot of barriers to downloads taking off.
First, the bandwidth isn't there. Look at what American ISPs are doing over Bittorrent already. And in some parts of the world (Australia comes to mind) you have a hard bandwidth cap which isn't very high.
Second, the compression isn't there. In order to move to downloads, the quality has to be better than BD or else we'd have no reason to switch. Until you can get 1440p video and lossless audio into about 10GB then it's not even worth discussing.
My mom likes those big TVs, but doesn't know what a download is. Also... I can't hold a download in my hand, so it makes a crappy present... presents being about my entire DVD collection. I think discs will be around for a good while.
Dan S, yeah, those iTunes gift cards are a total flop. Horrible present.
HA! I love all these ignorant comments about downloads... Now if you live in Europe/Australia/Asia You can stop reading, but if you live in AMERICA, this will absolutely not happen for at least 5 years, probably 10. The broadband infrastructure in this country is pathetic. There is NO WAY in hell that cable ISPS are going to let every customer regularly download 10-20GB H264 files. That's just crazy talk, especially with how they freak out over minor bittorrent downloading from a tiny percentage of their customers. Anyone that doesn't belive me, go do some research on the state of our broadband infrastructure, especially the level of oversold bandwidth in this country, then come back here and tell me downloads are going to take over for HD media. In the short term, I'm sure some small percentage will use downloaded media for low-quality HD rentals ala XBox live/Tivo Unbox/Apple TV.
Sad..
Oh no it's the engadget deathwatch!! How pathetic..
engadgethd is a blu troll
Quick someone play Counterstrike so you can "train" on that "murder simulator" and go kill HD_DEAD. Please, make JackASSThompson proud.
I would do it myself but I am a family man and I cannot take the chance that this deadly video game makes me kill my wife and kids.
Dude, looking at your latest posts I have to ask: Are you REALLY this angry or does it manifest itself only when you come to EngadgetHD?
Geez, people, that post was ment to mock Jack Thompson who yet again, is blaming VG for the latest school shooting.
Why wait till 3/7?? How 'bout this afternoon?
Bring on the $5 disks!!
The news about Toshiba throwing in the towel on HD-DVD is all over the newsfeeds now. They aren't even denying it anymore. Within a few weeks it will all be a distant memory.
Yes, The format with the most expensive players and disks wins.
This seems like a real win for consumers.
Can hardly wait to pick up my $400 profile 1.1 player that can't be updated.
Silly consumers, I guess the real winners will be upconverting DVD players for along while yet.
Groan.
Exactly. Until prices drop to sub-$200 level, I don't see BD taking off after the funeral. People will be glad that the format war is over -- until they see that BD players are 5-10x more expensive than most upscaling DVD players. I don't expect BD to start taking a major upswing until Christmas.
We'll just have to wait to see what happens.
More whining about the price... as if Toshiba wasn't subsidizing their players to make them cheaper. You guys do realize both use blue laser technology, right? Toshiba chose to subsidize the players and while the BR camp subsidized the media via more sales and BOGOs. The HD DVD camp chose to ride the 360 add-on while the BR camp chose to put a BR player as a standard in the PS3. The BR camp chose correctly on both counts. Quit you're whining... in reality HD DVD isn't as cheap as it appears, the players are being subsidized.
*quit your whining
The two formats will co-exist.. as there is ZERO reasons not too.. the whole ONE FORMAT is needed is a bunch of bullshit. Simply why:
PS3 and Xbox 360 (I won't even count Wii but that's 3 FORMATS).. all COMPLETELY different technologies, have unique (exclusive games on each). In order for a person to play all those games, they have to buy 2 $300-$400 game consoles. Publishers, took consumer and business sense approach and most of them publish in both formats.
This is a simple reality. Anyone who says this isn't the same as Blu-Ray and HD DVD scenario is obviously supporting lying.
Here simple pointers:
PS3 = Blu-Ray
Xbox 360 = HD DVD
Electronic Arts, Activision, Ubisoft, 2kSports, Sony Games, Microsoft Games = Warner, Universal, Paramount, Fox, Disney, Sony, Weinstein.
Some games are exclusives on Xbox 360 - Some games are exclusives on PS3 = Some movies are exclusive on HD DVD, Some movies are exclusive to Blu-Ray.
PS3 = 3.5 million units in the States
Xbox 360 = 10+ million units in the States
ratio about 3:1
Blu-ray (with PS3) = 3.7 million units in the States
HD DVD (with add-on) = 1+ million in the United States
ratio about 3:1
The difference? PS3 and Xbox 360 are everywhere... Blu-Ray and media says that HD DVD should die?
Completely illogical? I think so.
Studios don't want to make 2 pressings, at 2 factories, with 2 sets of artwork, with 2 sets of distribution. Stores don't want to stock 2 formats that can be confused. Grandma doesn't want to have to wonder if HD-DVD movies will play in her Blu Ray that Junior got for her.
Going to 1 format is what consumers and business want. We'll start spending $$ on these damn discs and players now that there is a winner nigh. Studios will make money because people are rebuying their catalogs.
HD-DVD had it's advantages as a format. But there's no way they're going to survive.
The difference is you can actually buy both 360s and PS3s in stores. Where do you suppose people will be buying HD DVD players in 6 months?
There' NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HD DVD/Blu-Ray and XBOX 360/PS3 .. are you demented? It's the same thing.. it works for gaming industry perfectly.. they make A KILLING.. if anything it has shown to FUEL competition and produce better games as the 2 standards compete.
you really dont give up do you? comparing blu ray vs hd dvd to video game consoles...wow, seriously...wow.
Can you buy Onkyo at Walmart? Can you buy Onkyo at Best Buy? NO! Is Onkyo selling great? Yes!
But Matt you are exactly proving the point that the whole thing is one big payoff and not technical inability to support both.
Gaming industry made A RECORD profit last year with 3 DIFFERENT FORMATS...actually READ 4! PC included.
SimbaDogg you are obviously a freakin' idiot.. I just showed you that it's EXACTLY the same..
They won't "co-exist". HD DVD is dead. Wishful thinking by vocal and immature fanboys is not going to alter that reality.
Charlie and it's EXACTLY the same with factories for game publishers.. for Xbox 360 they have to use DVD-9.. some of them are using Blu-Ray. What's the difference? NO DIFFERENCE!
HD DVD will continue and will eventually show retailers that they can make money.. There's no DEATH WATCH here..
My mom doesn't want to buy two different players. Neither does 90% of America.
It's over.
Nfinity, I just don't know what to say anymore.
You're out of control.
What's the big deal that HD-DVD is going extinct? Do you have a major share in Toshiba? Are you an engineer who developed the technology?
Look, a lot of us are fanboys about one thing or another, but most of us are intelligent enough that when people start dropping from the plague, we move to another city.
your right Nfinity, thats why i still have my betamax. its still going strong.
Xolan99, it's amazing how you are making a decision for 90% of America.
Freaking idiot.
And you're making decisions with Uni and Paramount claiming they won't jump ship either?
You sir, are a masochist. YOU don't even believe what you write anymore.
You need an intervention. That's it! you are going to HD rehab.
"PS3 = Blu-Ray
Xbox 360 = HD DVD"
You failed to bring up the point that PS3 = built-in Blu-Ray player.
Xbox 360 = great game console, built-in crappy dvd player
AND THEN IF YOU WANT HD-DVD, you buy the add-on.
I did just that. Then treated myself to a PS3 as well. I prefer Blu.
Ok, nfinity, look.
Blu-ray and HD-DVD are NOT THE SAME AS PS3-360!
People buy each console because there seems to be a particular genre that is prolific on that console (Wii - motion-sensing games, 360 - shooters, PS3 - platforming (I know there are lots of different genres for each, but those seem to be the most prolific), so it's perfectly understandable that people might buy both consoles.
People DON'T want to buy 2 different players so that they can play all new movies that are coming out - there are a wide variety of genres!
If Blu-ray becomes the standard, then ALL movies will be available on one format, and that's what people want in the movie world.
In the gaming world this would also be good, but there are different companies that believe they will make more money with their console because each console is completely different. HD players, on the other hand, only play HD movies.
So this is not like the console war.
And why do you say:
"PS3 = 3.5 million units in the States
Xbox 360 = 10+ million units in the States
ratio about 3:1
Blu-ray (with PS3) = 3.7 million units in the States
HD DVD (with add-on) = 1+ million in the United States
ratio about 3:1"
What does that prove?
The numbers for Bluray-HDDVD are only going to get further apart, they ARE NOT going to find a 'happy medium'!
Truth Teller and Nfinity,
I know today is a hard day for you. Do not fear though there is a solution
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v665/ProfGTA/?action=view¤t=suicide.gif
Just remember cut horizontally not vertically.
Nfinity-
It's not the same. Games sell for $60 a piece. If movies sold for that amount I can see this being true.
I really think that HD-DVD could survive as a niche product. However the tide has turned so fast and so hard against Toshiba that they will have a hard time reacting, cutting the deals and then putting a new plan into effect before they are irrelevant.
The movie studios are being most gracious in giving Toshiba time to find a way out. I'm actually surprised that they have been more supportive than Walmart.
Two movie formats can exist side by side but consumers won't put up with 2 mass market alternatives like they do in games. People are stupid when it comes to games. Not as much when it comes to movies.
The killer though:
PS3 comes with Blu-Ray out of the box.
/hd-dvd
Anyone would think that from the PS3 fanboy bleating that something had just happened.
Nothing just happened. More talking-up is all it is.
Blu-ray got another post-dated promise
(several months off, just like the other one).
Anyone (sane) knows that a week can be a long time in business nevermind several months.
(as we're already seeing with Warner wriggling and making noises about a cut-off nott necessarily being a cut-off at all)
Naturally the gullible will try to shout down any contrary views & will want to believe their pro-Blu PR no matter what but so what?
They can deny it all they like but this is the truth of the matter.
Actually what happened is that HD DVD has received one blow after another for an entire month. It's a dead format. It might not be "official" but everyone can see for themselves it is dead.
Only a few deluded immature fanboys think that HD DVD stands any chance at all now. And you can include yourself amongst them.
If you don't understand the implications of all the OFFICIAL announcements dropping HD DVD support, then you sir fail in every way imaginable. I really hope you never own your own business, as you would run it to the ground with your business savvy.
TruthTeller aka Dave: "Nothing just happened. More talking-up is all it is."
Dave, you're a flame baiting loser.
Nuf said.
LOL good idea!
I'm going to miss you HD DVD. I will never forget my first HD DVD porn experience evening along with you.
I'm glad stupidity isn't a disease or else we'd all be infected from TT and N's comments.
That's my rebuttle since statistics, sales, removal of support and a little bit of common scense don't seem to work with you 2 trolls.
Ban these guys unless you want all posts related to HD discs to be the world vs 2 degereates.
You 2 have seriously become intolerable wastes of sperm. You guys are both loads you mothers should have swallowed.
Logically infinity and truth teller are correct about the dual formats in games-the same is true regarding dishwashers, vacuum cleaners, refrigerators,cars,etc But HISTORY will rule the day. Historically speaking the motion picture and music industry, driven by public demand has always united around one main format over the last 100 years. Sure there have been odd anomalies like the laser disc, but nothing that all the studios and music companies have united around and the mass public has accepted. Sure it works for games, but its always been that way. But for some reason the same isnt so for music and video- there were lps,8 tracks,cassettes, then cds,etc not 4 different types of cds or lps competing, but one that univerally worked. Beta and vhs battled it out but the motion pictury industry and mass market adopted ONE, ONLY ONE-sure there were purists or kooks who still had a few betamax, and laser discs, but the motion picture and music industry ALWAYS UNITE behind one universal format so everyone knows what it is and buys it and it will work in all players. SO as much as your arguements make sense in other areas of retail-it is history which says otherwise and history set the precedent that will adopt only one-and that one THIS TIME is BLURAY. THE FUTURE IS BLU. At least for another 5-10 years. And human nature is such that it will always want to own something. Dowloading seems to always be defended by mainly those who illegally DL for free, not the mass market who like to look at the pretty case, and show it off in a collection they can be proud of. Human nature will need a lot of changing for dl only. Now back to those pretty blu cases Ive got!