http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/ Engadget HD Comments for Toshiba projects $669 million loss on HD DVD (and $459 million more) http://hd.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://hd.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/
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Format wars are never good for the consumer. I expect Toshiba to put up heavy barricades to Blu-Ray's success by utilizing its influence in the DVD market, but I'm pretty sure at this point that both Toshiba and the DVD Forum are well on their way out of the building.

With all the studio support Blu-Ray has now, I don't think DVD will be able to sway them back to just SD-DVD. While SD-DVD has a MASSIVELY larger install base, the promise of higher margins on movie prices will keep the big players in the high-def market. Remember: "Now on VHS and DVD!" only now it is "Now on DVD and Blu-Ray [high def]!"

Also: It is ridiculous to think that it was only the Blu-Ray camp that tried to make back-room deals. Paramount and Dreamworks pulled their Blu-Ray discs OFF THE SHELVES when they went exclusive. Warner wasn't even fully exclusive when the format war ended, so what the hell are you complaining about?]]>Mar 19th 2008 10:05AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/Mar 19th 2008 5:55AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/I think they deserve respect, the quality of the product is outstanding, and other than fighting to cleanly and advertising poorly, they did the best they could given their circumstances.]]>Mar 19th 2008 6:34AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/
Ever hear of the doctrine of unclean hands? Toshiba and Microsoft tried to sew up the HD market by bribing at least two studios, and trying to bribe two more. And that "lower price point" was achieved by massively subsidizing their players to undercut a rival format.

I'm sure Blu Ray promoters did their fair share of dubious things, and one day I'm sure the full story will emerge. It will be very interesting to see how things played out around CES since clearly HD DVD thought they'd bought Warner & Fox when they didn't.

One thing is certain though - Toshiba had unclean hands and you're making a fool of yourself by pretending otherwise. Toshiba's own incompetence at attracting partners (not least by ensuring zero profits in HD DVD hardware) and disastrous marketing had as much to do with their demise as any rival format.
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"primarily because they didn't fight as dirty as the opposition, didn't get involved in shady back room deals and corruption"

LOL! How nieve you are!]]>Mar 19th 2008 8:09AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/
You love having a crack at me on a regular basis don't you, why don't you STFU, your lame comments just shows what a F'Wit you really are!]]>Mar 19th 2008 8:26AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/
Oh and I'm sure you can fit some more expletives into your posts. Ha, no wonder the mods here delete the majority of them!
]]>Mar 19th 2008 8:47AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/Mar 19th 2008 8:42AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/Mar 19th 2008 9:13AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/Some US auto companies have been losing that much yearly for a couple of years.

Too bad the 'war' ended so early. It'll be years till BR is cheap enough for me to consider 'upgrading' from my dvd upscaler (that also happens to play hd dvds ;).

And that will be just for new movies, since my old ones on dvd look pretty good. Maybe when I get a 1080p set my opinion will change, but most early adopters, (a lot have 720p since that's all there was other than sweet 1080i), won't see much different till they buy a new set too. It's a good thing there'$ $till plenty of competition in the flat screen hdtv market!]]>Mar 19th 2008 9:36AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/Mar 19th 2008 2:49PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/19/toshiba-projects-669-million-loss-on-hd-dvd/Mar 24th 2008 8:36AM