http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/ Engadget HD Comments for PS3 firmware 2.20 bringing BD-Live interactive Blu-ray this month http://hd.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://hd.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 5:46AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
Just remember to really grit your teeth hard and pretend you love the expensive DRM-infested mess.]]>Mar 20th 2008 8:34AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/How so Lie Teller, when to have an equivalent station with a Xbox it actually costs you more
(and with a mere dead HD DVD add on vs a built in Blu Ray player)?
Keep on the BS, Fud Teller, we all love to have a good laugh at your expense ;)]]>Mar 20th 2008 9:35AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
HD DVD has sadly left the field but my stand-alone player & movie collection have cost me (still) far less than any equivelent Blu-ray option (which, given their profile mess & if you could for a moment be honest about it, still does not yet even exist).

As for movies, all but the most determined have said a firm no to having a kiddies game console as their main movie player.

There's no rush and absolutely no need for Blu-ray & all the BS it brings.

Fail.]]>Mar 20th 2008 10:08AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 10:45AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 11:09AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
I have no problem with people enjoying their PS3s, why would I it's not exactly any of my business and it's a relatively free world here in the west.

I do have a problem with fanboy cretins who act like it is perfection itself and who insist on trying to evangelise to the rest of us who are not interested in a game console as our movie player.
Even more laughable are those who imagine that just cos I have no interest in the PS3 that I have for the XBox 360.
Too funny.

.....and as far as your 'wrong' comment goes?
Couple of things.

1) just before CES every senior guy on the HD DVD side went off on their planes 'knowing' Warner had signed for HD DVD. That was the inside info - and the Ken Graffeo interview proved it.
2) It was so close to going the other way.

You just happened to be in 'love' with the CE corp that won out in the end.
You did nothing.
You could so easily have bet wrong (and came within a whisker of doing so).

3) It is far from decided yet whether Blu-ray has or has not also lost with HD DVD.

The win in the little squabble with HD DVD has not guaranteed Blu-ray will go on to take over from SD DVD at all.

The high def market is heavily fractured as it is (and this can only get ever more so) and there is no indication whatsoever that the general public have any appetite for paying the laughable prices the Blu-ray side expect to charge for their sub-spec clunky cr@p.

I've seen it said umteen times (just as it was with HD DVD) 'wake me up when the (full spec = profile 2.0) players are $100.

How many years do you expect that to take, hmmmmmm?

By then it will be too late. Too little too late.

Blu-ray = PS3 proprietary niche format and very very little else besides.

Get over it.
The Blu-ray win was the worst thing possible for the uptake of HDM on disc.

You too bought into a format going nowhere
(it's just taking a little longer for you lot to realise it).]]>Mar 20th 2008 11:19AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
I have ZERO games for my PS3, in fact, the game controller is out of power because it sits in the cabinet unused. The PS3 is our media PC to play movies and stream family photos and videos from my Vista machine.

No doubt you'll say I am a minority but since you don't own a PS3, then your opinion means very little....

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In any case.. I think this update is A MUST and it's good news considering that we won't be seeing standalones for a WHILE to support everything PS3 does for Blu-Ray. ]]>Mar 20th 2008 6:18AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
What we NEED is internal decoding of DTS Master HD. And a more intuitive way to browse/sort music, because its so frustrating, I'd rather use my ipod and line-out.]]>Mar 20th 2008 7:28AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
Maybe the studios should just drop DTS-MA entirely and just use the more common Dolby TrueHD. Why support 2 lossless codecs when the resulting sound is identical?]]>Mar 20th 2008 12:05PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 6:20AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 9:40AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 10:38AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 12:06PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
I agree. The consumer deserves a capable machine.]]>Mar 20th 2008 1:22PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 6:42AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 7:34AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 12:01PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 7:35AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
Don't get me wrong Sony wants to sell as many PS3's as possible it's just if they pull a move like this all its hardware partners will get pissed especially the ones competing in the under $500 players. In the end once we have some 2.0 players with all the bells and whistles the PS3 will internally decode DTS MA, thats why good things come to those whom wait.]]>Mar 20th 2008 7:47AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 8:10AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 7:48AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
Don't get me wrong Sony wants to sell as many PS3's as possible it's just if they pull a move like this all its hardware partners will get pissed especially the ones competing in the under $500 players. In the end once we have some 2.0 players with all the bells and whistles the PS3 will internally decode DTS MA, thats why good things come to those whom wait.]]>Mar 20th 2008 7:57AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Is that possible? Is there any hardware requirement that the PS3 may not meet?

That way you can say, PS3 outputs all codecs, or if you dont have a receiver that can take care of it, it can decode most of them.]]>Mar 20th 2008 12:07PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
Just release the darn Panasonic BD50 already!]]>Mar 20th 2008 8:20AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 8:52AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
I tend to agree with the other posters that DTS MA won't happen until the PS3 is priced towards the high end of standalone Blu-Ray players, not the low end.]]>Mar 20th 2008 9:44AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
Second, I have heard quite a few lossless soundtracks, and I can tell a big difference. I have nice speakers, though... I'd imagine that the difference wouldnt be as great with, say, a $500 home theater in-a-box.]]>Mar 20th 2008 10:18AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 8:43AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 9:26AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 9:26AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 8:51AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 12:00PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
PS3 only outputs standard Dolby Digital and DTS bit stream. True Dolby HD is out via PCM. DTS:HDMA is output as regular DTS because the PS3 can't decode it currently.

The thing that people can't see to get through their skulls is that to take advantage of special multimedia functions that happend during movie playboack the sound must be processed and output as PCM from the player or you aren't going to get all the sound which is why you get that message on the PS3 when you switch to bit stream.]]>Mar 20th 2008 9:24AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
I see what you are saying and I get it now. But here is my next question... how come when paying ANY Dobly Digital/DTS codec (including TrueHD) through the PCM output setting does the sound seem to worsen (become less powerful/full)?

Also, I don't think that it is a matter of just getting it through our skulls, but more like we just don't completely understand the processes at work. For example, what do you mean by "Special Multimedia Functions" and what does the message that the PS3 gives really mean? Does it mean that at some point the audio will just drop out, or does it mean that certain audio tracks will not be processes and played, such as background sfx, etc.? ]]>Mar 20th 2008 11:06AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/
Because 1) when listening to PCM over optical, you'll only get 2.0. So you'd miss the fullness of a center/surround/discrete sub channel.

2) dolby digital tracks bitstreamed are usually louder than the PCM 2.0 track. The average person perceives this volume boost to be "better". Its louder, but still highly compressed music. Turn the PCM volume up to the same volume level.
]]>Mar 20th 2008 1:09PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/This being said, Penton Man at Blu-Ray.com has confirmed that the internal decoding of DTS HD MA was coming in a future update (I do not dare say "soon"), which is a ton better than "nothing scheduled" which was the word so far on HD MA.
And yes the PS3 can already output LPCM (quite a few movies with PCM track) and decode TrueHD to LPCM.]]>Mar 20th 2008 5:37PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 10:14AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 11:00AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 11:31AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 11:37AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 12:33PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 12:51PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 1:36PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 22nd 2008 4:36AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/03/20/ps3-firmware-2-20-bringing-bd-live-interactive-blu-ray-this-mont/Mar 20th 2008 3:57PM