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Darker than a black steer's tucus on a moonless prairie night]]>May 7th 2008 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/
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Methinks they need to cut Wesley Snipes in on an endorsement.]]>May 8th 2008 11:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 9:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/
This is ME!]]>May 7th 2008 5:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 5:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 6:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/No lets use.....'blackerness' that way it sounds too silly to be considered racial.
Sweet.

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But seriously, I'd like to see them throw in a budget plasma like a vizio 50" just for comparison's sake.


And btw, pioneer may have set up the demo, but I doubt they changed the TV settings from factory on the "competitor's" units because it would have just been too obvious. And besides, why? It's already pretty clear who the winner is.]]>May 7th 2008 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 6:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 6:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/
And before you get your panties in a bunch, I have a Samsung LCD. And it's a pretty good picture. Until you compare it to my Kuro.

And if you look at the picture, even the Samsung plasma looks better than either LCD. Which says a lot about plasma vs. lcd. ]]>May 7th 2008 6:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/May 7th 2008 4:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/Contrast.
Brightness.
Back light level.
Etc.
I'm not saying black levels on LCDs are spectacular, just that they are not nearly as bad has how they are being presenting in this rigged setup.]]>May 7th 2008 5:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/
That room is designed to demonstrate black levels. So, yes, in that case it was rigged.

Try putting a Samsung LCD in a black room and turn it on. It will probably look like that picture.

In other words, you've never seen either a lcd or plasma in a truly dark room, so you don't know wtf you are talking about. ]]>May 7th 2008 7:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/
Here's a comparison for you, with the current state-of-the-art samsung best-in-business lcd with blacker-than-black:
http://hometheatermag.com/lcds/1207sam5281/

On page two, there's a comparison to a Kuro PDP-6010FD plasma which the reviewer had side-by-side.]]>May 7th 2008 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/
I have, and it doesn't look as pictured. Thanks for your concern though.]]>May 7th 2008 8:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/
Quoting "Matt" above since he said it much more succinctly than I can manage:

"It's amazing that some people can't understand the difference between these kinds of comparison photos and seeing the displays in real life. With the long exposure time the backlight will be exaggerated, but this effect applies to all of the displays. The impressive thing is that the Kuro is still that black in these photos."

Do you know how long the exposures would have had to been in those shots? Of course "it doesn't look as pictured"....?!?!]]>May 7th 2008 10:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/
Run around in the radiation
Run around in the acid rain, on a
Black, black planet
Black planet hanging over the highway
Out of my mind's eye, out of memory
Black world, out of my mind]]>May 7th 2008 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/Let's have a black(erness) celebration...
tonight
to celebrate the fact
that we've seen the back
of another black(erness) day]]>May 7th 2008 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/07/pioneer-kuro-and-friends-hands-on/
I see a red door and I want it painted black
No colors anymore I want them to turn black
I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes
I have to turn my head until my darkness goes
Hmm, hmm, hmm,...
I wanna see it painted, painted black
Black as night, black as coal
I wanna see the sun blotted out from the sky
I wanna see it painted, painted, painted, painted black(erness)
Yeah!]]>May 7th 2008 4:50PM