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Nfinity,
I love how you never miss a chance to beat the drumbeat of "I told you so". One thing, you're a bit premature on the gloating. Wait until 2009, if blu-ray still is high priced and low volume, then I think we'll all give you a big prop but until then, this is nothing but noise. More players will be coming out as the year progresses as also more titles will be ramping up for the 2008 holiday season.
It will happen. The blu-ray CE vendors are not stupid. They know that keeping prices too high will only kill the market. As supply increases, prices will come down, as volume increases, prices will come down....mark my words, once again.
Yeah..prices will go down when they start clearing out garbage 1.0 and 1.1 players. Of course you'll see that as natural price lowering but it's nothing more but another wave of ripoffs to an unsuspecting consumers who don't even know about this stuff.
Mark my words, Blu-Ray is dead by mid-2009 or beginning of 2010,especially when Sharp and Toshiba finally start shipping devices and TVs, DVD players that use SpursEngine and give HD out of existing DVDs.
It's an incredibly smart solution that requires NO reinvestment in anything.
You can go ahead and wait. sure. And of course, go ahead, and buy $30-$40 movies. I guess it's what people say, you should pay for it if you want to succeed. I sure ain't gonna give them money and neither will any smart consumer because everyone can see that it's nothing more but a ripoff tactic cooked up by Sony and a few other companies.
Nfinity,
"SpursEngine and give HD out of existing DVDs"....this is flat out impossible. It can make SD look the best as it can on HD screens but compared to true HD sources, nothing will compare (as long as the HD encode is high quality).
The effect is easily demonstrated. Using your favorite image editor (I like GIMP( gimp.org). Take a full 1080 HD (1920×1080) image, use the scaling feature to scale it down to SD resolution (480 vertical resolution, keep the same aspect ratio). Save it as a new image. Now take the SD version of the image and using the best scaling method possible (experiment with different settings) and scale it back up to the HD resolution.
Use this image as an example: http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/downloads/01548_stpaulscathedral_1920x1080.jpg
This image has nice detail especially around the cathedral dome (notice the railings)
Flipping back and forth at the native resolution (use a proper monitor), you will instantly notice the loss of crisp detail. This is an example of how upconverting or upscaling an image cannot ever have the same detail and clarity of a true native HD image....
"ripoff tactic cooked up by Sony and a few other companies."
Nice objective sentence.
Bravo Jim, I love your example to actually show people why upscaling will never replace a high res source.
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JimC obviously you have no understanding how SpursEngine works. It's not simple upscaling.
So your whole write up has no sense. If you saw at CES 2008 what the footage looks like you would understand. The image is STUNNING.
With barely noticable increase NOW, from upscaled 1080p DVD and Blu-Ray or HD DVD for most people, the different between SpursEngine treatment of the material against 1080p HD source will be completely indistinguishable for most people.
I have already explained many times how this works. Again, obviously you are extremely unwilling to except anything that would go against Blu-Ray despite the fact that this type of technology is actually better for everyone and gives much more value to consumer.
Super-upscaling or SpursEngine is cell CPU powered technology (just like in PS3) that utilizes regular DVD footage with a super intelligent algorithm that takes your current frame of 480p footage, looks at 4 frames after that one for additional information, then takes 4 frames prior to the active frame.. recombines data in a way that basically there will be VERY little difference between HD DVD or Blu-Ray and super-scaled DVD footage.
The problem is that gamer fanboys that support Blu-Ray because of PS3 or Sony are incapable of understanding that majority of people don't give a shit how many pixels image has if they look pretty much identical.
Not to mention the fact that with SpursEngine you don't need to buy or replace manufacturing of regular DVDs. You just continue publishing and when remaining 65-70% of population goes to get a new Sharp or Toshiba TV in 2009 or a new DVD player for $100 they will most likely have the ability to watch supe-scaled DVD movies that looks pretty much HD and much much better then regular upscaled DVDs.
nfinity
how stunning was it? were you totally blown away? was it mind boggling?
were you even @ CES 2008? or did you just watch the podcast on engadgethd?
you are so ridiculously dramatic.
you can explain your perception of how SpursEngine works up one side & down the other a simple facts remains: the source is 480p and nothing the technology does can change the source
quit trying to sell us on "good enough"
personally I don't care what is completely indistinguishable for most people, most people don't read engadgethd, most people aren't in the know, most people waited 4 years or longer to buy into DVD [after 2001] because vhs was good enough for them...most people are most people
the way you try to dismiss or discredit what JimC wrote only illustrates how closed your mind is to anything that contradicts what you want as opposed to what is in reality, kind of like a spoiled child throwing a tantrum.
please grow up or don't cause it's funny to read really amusing in a sad kind of way
oh yeah...really realistic that 65 - 70% of the remaining consumers are going to buy either Sharp or Toshiba only.....that's gonna happen
and Sharp..you mean Sharp who just unveiled 3 new Blu-Ray players / recorders with HDDs up to 2TB? if Sharp is so f****** sold on your beloved SpursEngine they why do they bother putting out generation after generation of Blu-Ray players & recorders [recorders only in Japan currently]
didn't Sharp ask you what they should do?
lastly, where do you get off calling anyone a fanboy? you are by far the best example of a fanboy that I have ever read....you personify the definition of fanboy
JDS, you are beyond ridiculous. It's sad a mature man write nonsense as you write. If you are really 38, which I still can't believe. You are just blabbing nonsense. You lack of knowledge fuels your utterly stupid reactions and comments. 480p content in one frame is impossible to increase but 8 frames with 480p content actually contains more then enough information to generate 960p (that's what the Toshiba representative explained).
And yes, for your information I was at CES 2008 and I saw this technology in action among other people and quite possibly bumped elbows with some press folks I know.
Ignorance, completely lack of logic and intelligence is the only way I can describe your response. You sound like an angry little child that simply refuses to accept anything else but they have in their own mind.
Again, very sad for a self proclaimed 38 year old.
nfinity
"self proclaimed" 38 years old? what's that? I am pretty sure that if I was born in 1969, like I was, then that makes me 38 going on 39 this year....
is there a question or a statement in this run-on something you wrote: "Ignorance, completely lack of logic and intelligence is the only way I can describe your response. You sound like an angry little child that simply refuses to accept anything else but they have in their own mind."
easy there Timothy Leary / Terrnace McKenna and try to explain what that meant....please
do me a favor, go ahead and show me where I have a "lack of logic" as you put it and while you are at it, illustare for me where I "sound like an angry little child that simply refuses to accept anything else but they have in their own mind" what ever that means.
BTW: I was clearly accepting what JimC wrote which might contradict what you wrote. Depening on what you meant if you know what you meant which I doubt
BR players have upscaling built into them now...and there's no reason for Panasonic, Funai, Toshiba, and other companies who don't own movie studios to *not* put in the best upscaling they can to make their players look better.
If the SpursEngine in a DVD player is only going to be costing about $100, then I'm guessing that it could also be put into a Blu-ray player for super-upscaling SD DVD's....and it won't be adding much to the price.
By the tim this comes out in '09-or 2010, BR players will likely be $100-$200 at the low end. So, a BR player with superscaling abilities could probably be $150-$250.
That way, you'll get superior picture in all your movies (superscaled DVD or regular BR) plus the superior sound in the BR ones.
EQC said: "BR players have upscaling built into them now...and there's no reason for Panasonic, Funai, Toshiba, and other companies who don't own movie studios to *not* put in the best upscaling they can to make their players look better."
Well, these players don't have this technology in them and it's not just upscaling. There's a HUGE different between upscaled content and super-upscaled. Overall it's going to be upon Toshiba to license this technology and something tells me they won't be really giving it to everyone. The whole point here is that Toshiba developed this technology to give them an advantage over other companies. So far as far I know they've only partnered with Sharp. I'm extremely excited about this. It gives us basically HD out of regular DVDs. That's just sick. Hell my old movies on DVD will look ten times better. No need to rebuy crappy Blu-Ray encodes of old movies anyways.
But you are right, SpursEngine can be also applied on Blu-Ray/HD footage as well.. so effectively you can have 1080p footage increased in quality even further, however there won't be need nor a TV that will require this type of resolution. The advantage is obviously that DVD will come close to Blu-Ray without any additional costs to the consumer except that you buy a new TV or a new DVD player that has Spurse that will be again at DVD player prices not $500.
Basically what this means, is that Blu-Ray will be pretty much in the niche-market as well, because someone who gets pretty much the same looking movie through SpursEngine on their DVD, sure has no reason to buy a Blu-Ray player and pay premium for movie. It kind of defeats the whole purpose of new media. Surely, it's not going to be exactly the same. Super-upscaling will always be somewhat worse, but I could pretty much with certainty say that best DVD footage that's superupscaled will come to a very similar quality as Blu-Ray and will look the same for weaker encodes on Blu-Ray.
Oh and as for 2009 and 2010.. SpursEngine is already working and will be in PCs this year with DVD player and TV integration by autumn 2009. The technology is already working and ready and basically won't cost consumers any premium over regular DVD players or TVs.
It's pretty exciting. And if you listen to TWIT podcasts and other tech podcasts where some ISPs even discuss the whole digital downloads situation. it's clear that the whole bandwith thing is totally not a problem and that by end of this year in the US (what Comcast says) they will up the broadband to 100mbps on high-end and 20-50 mbps standard.
I mean it's already happening. My residential connection is 25mbps so obviously it's happening already.
Add to this that major companies are already shifting to digital download models and rentals, I'm pretty sure that this Toshiba SpursEngine thing will be favored by consumers for those who want HD on the cheap (which is like majority of people) or don't have enough bandwith of tech-knowhow to use digital downloads and Blu-Ray, if it's still alive, will be for niche market.
NFinity:
Thanks for the reply...this SpursEngine superscaling sounds very interesting. I hope it makes it to market, and is inexpensive, as you suggest. Somehow I hadn't heard of this technology before...
If your predictions are correct, and this tech keeps Blu-ray from catching on, it'd be pretty comical since it's powered by the Cell -- the same chip that runs the PS3 which was, in part, designed as BR's trojan horse.
Anyway...I don't agree with all of your anti-blue opinions (but I haven't bought into the format yet either...waiting for cheap prices and an HDTV), but your posts are often informative nonetheless. SpursEngine is definitely something I'll be watching for now...
I think super resolution makes a great feature in a TV set, but it is flat out stupid to buy a premium high definition TV just so you can avoid paying for proper high definition player. Upscaled images even through super resolution will not compare to proper HD content. You would end up spending thousands on an HD set to avoid paying hundreds on HD content to play on it! That is just dumb.
While the feature is welcome I do not think it will look noticeably better than a regular upscaler and potentially has some awful side effects. If its combining detail from 9 frames then the chances are that moving objects will smear like a bad LCD. Only stationary or slow moving elements will have extra detail and only when the transfer or camera is slightly jittery (both in the vertical and horizontal). The proposition that it will match HD quality or be mistaken for it is just silly.
Nfinity,
It does not matter how you take a 480p source and interpolate the images, it is still interpolated. No means of interpolation can increase resolution. The sampling of multiple images may increase quality of the upscaling, may increase edge definition as compared to the current upscaling, but you cannot take multiple 480p frames and get information that is not there to begin with. It may be better upscaling than is available now but it will not be the same as a true HD source, it is physically impossible.
Will it make upscaled DVD's look better than now? Yes. Will it look as good as true 1080p sources, never....so it comes down to what you want, do you want "almost" HD or actual HD. On my 1080p HD TV, I cannot stand it when a broadcast is not in 1080p, so if I have a choice between buying a new movie in SD and "almost" getting HD or just getting the HD version, it will be a no-brainer. Now for my existing DVD's, sure, I'd like them to look their best, thanks for the super upscaling. But for best results, the real thing is better than the cheaper knockoff...
Wait till 2009? HD DVD was $150 Dec 2007...and before you talk about Toshiba selling for a loss..so was The PS3 last year. Now without presure from from HD DVD, BD is taking it's time to be affordable.
I hope there is a way around Aug Toshiba can suprise us with a 4th generation HD DVD player under $120.
They could come out and say see in 6 months after we left the market BD has not tried to include the customers we market to. So to help the working middle class we bring back affordable HD DVD players.