It's not often this day and age to see two RPTVs duking it out within the same fortnight, but shortly after
CNET got ahold of
Samsung's HL61A750 for review, the Mitsubishi
WD-65735 showed up for its time on the test bench. For starters, critics couldn't deny that this 65-incher was big in more ways than one. Granted, consumers know full well what they're getting into with a DLP-based RPTV, but those not completely okay with a rather bulky set in their living room can stop right here and move on. Unfortunately, it seems that even those still with us will be looking for alternatives, as reviewers harshed on the inaccurate colors, soft details, lack of a PC input and lackluster array of controls. The unusually low 6.5 out of 10 rating suggests that there is value to be had for those looking for a big screen at the lowest possible cost, but the shoddy image quality will likely turn most folks away.
posted Aug 3rd 2008 1:24PM
cnet reviews arent always 100% correct. and why review just the lower end model and not the diamond series? anyways im still holding out for laservue, i prob wont buy this years sets though, im waiting for the 2nd gen laser tv next year with 240hz
i bought a 58" diamond last year.The diamonds or on par with plasmas.Read a review(from ultimate av or high end video,cnet sucks for reviews) for a 2007 diamond its excellent.
I don't know what has been happening, but I purchased a rear projection TV in 2005, and I feel that the image quality on all the TV's I've seen since then have declined, and done so terribly. I believe some of it has to do with the sets simply not having sufficient processing power and processing quality to make proper use of their 1080p resolution. Maybe the plunge in profitability for the whole market has led manufacturers to skimp on quality over adding features.
In general, only a few large displays of any technology seem to me to represent a significant advance in picture quality over the last 3 odd years, and those are the Panasonic and Pioneer plasmas.
the blacks and whites on the diamond or just as good as plasmas.i tend to favor the diamond because you don't have to worry about reflections.which keeps me from buying a plasma other than price(58" over $3500)
i agree with you, the review is pretty crap on most counts. this set is better than last years even. the diamond is the way to go . the 73 inch 73835 diamond can be has for as low as $3000 online. im just holding out til next year anyways because im going to be too busy to even have time to watch much tv or play any video games. But laservue is my main interest. Im just going to wait for the 2nd gen version for 240hz and hope they can get 5:5 cadence plus its using real D hardware in laser for 3d. Im going to use i for my next pc monitor.
They're still making DLPs? What's the point? I guess those people who
can't afford a plasma need a TV too.
laser tv will be DLP based. they will have twice the color range of the best plasmas/lcds dlp sets
and equal the viewing angle of the kuro and even black level equal or better than kuro from the latest showings of laservue.
also in 64 and 73 inch only and prob be n the 5-7.000 price range. so it wont be cheap but in reality it is if u compare to the much lower quality and far more expensive $30,000 70 inch lcd sets . these also do 3d . and laser tv will take it a step further by including reaLD processing just like the theatres use.
no burn in like plasma (sure i know its not as much of an issue as it used to be, but its still in issue sometimes, just not so often)
dlp with laser has a faster refresh rate than other techs (lcd or plasma)
and the laser has a longer lifespan than lcd/plasma oled
also the laser sets wont fade overtime like lamp based dlp, plasma, oled, lcd.
sure you could go front projector but not everyone has a room that is workable for such, plus many people want big screens but also like to watch tv in the light sometimes :)
so lcd and plasma are out due to size, weight and affordability in the large size and front projection is out for other reasons.
unless u want thin and actually hang the tv on the wall dlp is the way to go
also the laser dlp sets are wall mountable if you wanna hang on wall
its only 10 inches deep (much more than the thin plasma or lcd sure, but ways less than half as much)
and uses only 200 watts of electricity
the 2nd gen version in 2009 will be 240hz
LOL
meant to say 65 and 73 inch
Realize its just Samsung and Mitsubishi left standing on RPTV's, so they can make something mediocre and people will still buy it.
you'll probably buy a plasma or a lcd so you can hang it on a wall OOOOOOOOH!
id never wanna hang a tv on the wall. i want a big screen. Now when i buy a new house in a couple of years ill have a dedicated home theatre room for sure. but still a good big screen tv in the living room
IMHO a properly calibrated DLP TV still blows away anything else in picture quality. I can't speak specifically for these models, but I do know that these things don't come well setup from the factory so they tend to get bad reviews. I'd venture to guess those who are "LOL"ing and making fun of DLP haven't watched anything other than what they've seen at Best Buy.
"IMHO a properly calibrated DLP TV still blows away anything else in picture quality."
You're alone in this world. Have YOU seen a calibrated Pioneer Elite? There's a reason why that TV is habitually tagged the best HDTV each year and it has nothing to do with being able to hang it on a wall.
You're ALMOST not alone in the world. There are always exceptions (as imonit pointed out with a tv that costs 4x as much as a dlp), but I agree that DLPs blow away ALMOST anything else out of the water in terms of overall picture quality and color reproduction. I've been extremely happy with my sony.
DLPs are fine. But if ONE more person talks about staying away from Plasmas b/c of burn-in issues, they should be banned like Nfinity. That FUD is just about on the same level.
As a plasma owner, I wouldn't say stay away from Plasma, but the reality is that Plasmas DO have image retention, and that may bother or scare some folks in the market for a new set. I did my research and knew what to expect from my Plasma, but others simply don't. You cannot say that image retention and burn in aren't issues because all you need to do is go to AVS forums and you will find dozens of posts from folks still experiencing it.
It's rare that image retention will be permanent, but you still have to be cautious. That is what turns many folks away from Plasmas. There are trade-offs to the great PQ you get from a plasma and some just aren;t willing to make those trade-offs.
Deez - As you pointed out, image retention and burn-in are different problems altogether. Maybe I was oversimplifying the issue, and that's my fault. But I don't see someone getting their TV professionally calibrated and not doing the 'research' on how to avoid permanent retention. I must admit, I've run the break-in DVD on my plasmas as precaution. I will also concede that not everyone wants to worry about any 'potential' problems, especially those with kids and gaming consoles. What I was referring to, was a nonchalant reference to burn-in when comparing technologies. I can't tell you how many people have told me they walked away from a beautiful plasma because the guy at Best Buy told them about burn-in. Nobody wants to shell out 3k+ for a set that will be ruined if they make one little mistake. It scares people.
Back on topic - I was actually disappointed that Sony halted their SXRD line. They were actually nice sets and decently priced. I would assume there would still be a market for RPTVs, especially at the right pricing point. I'm sure it has less to do with PQ and more to do with what was selling. Your RPTV might look 100x better, but it isn't stopping J6P from walking out of Wal-Mart with his snazzier Vizio lcd.
Deez - As you pointed out, image retention and burn-in are different problems altogether. Maybe I was oversimplifying the issue, and that's my fault. But I don't see someone getting their TV professionally calibrated and not doing the 'research' on how to avoid permanent retention. I must admit, I've run the break-in DVD on my plasmas as precaution. I will also concede that not everyone wants to worry about any 'potential' problems, especially those with kids and gaming consoles. What I was referring to, was a nonchalant reference to burn-in when comparing technologies. I can't tell you how many people have told me they walked away from a beautiful plasma because the guy at Best Buy told them about burn-in. Nobody wants to shell out 3k+ for a set that will be ruined if they make one little mistake. It scares people.
Back on topic - I was actually disappointed that Sony halted their SXRD line. They were actually nice sets and decently priced. I would assume there would still be a market for RPTVs, especially at the right pricing point. I'm sure it has less to do with PQ and more to do with what was selling. Your RPTV might look 100x better, but it isn't stopping J6P from walking out of Wal-Mart with his snazzier Vizio lcd.
Mitsubishi DLP sets are a disaster. I refer you to the CNET Mitsubishi website. Simply Google Mitsubishi TV lawsuit and then take the time to read the almost five hundred posts. The tv sets have major defects. They know it and refuse to take the sets back. The sets give a message that the set is overheating and will turn off. Or, the set won't turn on. They have had to replace the thermal sensors but this is not a solution. The sets may be running hot and they simply increased the size of the sensor. The bulbs go after short time. Read the posts. Bulbs cost up to $280 buck. These sets are a disaster and it is about time that it is publicized. A class action has been filed in California.
Do not buy Mitsubishi DLP sets!!!!!!
how long have you owned it,or how long has it been since you cleaned the vents..like it says to in the owners manual??? mine i had for
well since this 60" 735 series came out just this past feb-march i love
mine lcd/plasma want an arm n leg to repair so if somthing goes wrong with this i have 3yrs..by that time it's time to upgrade again
$280.00?? in canadian money? i have peeps so i get mine for 50.00
maybe free..try fixing a plasma/lcd or hanging one on your wall
150lbs is not light..lol..and don't belive yhe "HYPE"
I LIKE MINE SO MUCH I NAMED HER MITSY..GD//
CAN I ASK WHAT TV YOU OWN? AND I BET THERE A FEFECT IN SOMWERE..I LOVE MY WD-60735 HAVENT OWNED IT LONG BUT HAVE THREE YR WARRANTY ON IT//PLUS MY BULBS ARE FREE
TO $50.00..TAKE CARE..
i couldn't disagree with you more. i bought the same tv you reviewed and found this tv to have one of the brightest and tightest pictures i have seen with no color bleeding. everyone who has seen it has loved it.as far as color accuratecey goes,your way of base.maybe you just got a poor tv,or maybe you don't know how to adjust it properly.we deffenitly did not see the same tv!
I must admit i didn't read any of the reviews before i wrote mine.I didn't realize plasma owners were snobs.If hanging a tv on your wall is how you evaluate a set,you should have done more homework.Todays DLP RPTV's are just as good as any plasma set out there.If you would have compared them side by side,and i did,you would have realized there is no viewable difference. both pictures were bright, tight and extremely colorful. There was no color bleeding in either tv.My new 65" DLP has a 173 degree viewing angle which is just as good as a plasma.A 65" DLP weighs between 68 and 73lbs.same size plasma weighs 150+lbs hang that on your wall.plus a 65" DLP is only 7"s wider.Thats note that much space even in a small room.The price for a 1080p plasma 50" TV is between 24 and $3000 for a good tv. The 65" i bought was only $1500 for 1080p.Try buying a 55" or large plasma and it will be about $4500 on up.A 65" plasma off the charts money wise.and how much extra to hide the wires if you hang it up.There's alot to be said about both tv's,all good. But be smart with your money.The best thing going out there for your money is DLP.Easier to repair if and when needed.and if you buy one, you'll still have enough money left over to buy your child a car for graduation. spend your money well. Live long and prospure!
"BEST HDTV OR ANY TV I HAVE EVER OWNED!!!!" i have the wd-60735 series..and it's picture,sound,looks, and features, you would be
insane to buy a 35" 40" lcd/[lasma..has the 3-d mose perfect picture
net comand,hdmi,1080p,dlp,simplayHD..tell you what go to a store that has these and pompare them to a plasma/lcd...of same size
bet the price of the lcd/plasma is 50%-75% more..it's a must have
bye panasonic..it's been real!!!l lol
is it the older modles or the new ones like the 60" wd-60735 series
i'm renting to own thank god, or thank me..lol..so i have two yrs if somthing like that does happen..plus an extra yr for 199.99
how long do the bulbs last? i have mine on like 8-12 hours a day
not exacly everyday..i know the dlp is bs..and the bulbs i can get for 50.00 bucks from my people..thanks,d..
FYI..WITH THE REGULAR REMOTE TO THE MITS TV..YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY HOURS OF USE
YOU HAVE TO PRESS MENU THE PUT 2470 AND IT WILL SHOW YOU!!!!
IMHO; I think all DLP's have their problems, I purchased 57" Samsung and it had a light tunnel issue, do a search on light tunnel and see how many results you see! Then it had other issues with it cutting off at random; I was lucky to get rid of the set considering it did not cut off with HDMI connected.
Now on to this Mitsubishi set, the image looks as good as any plasma I have ever seen, better then LCD because the blacks are alot darker and no screen door effect. As for the depth, to me its not that big of a deal if you do not plan on mounting to the wall the stand will even for a falt panel will stick out more then 16 inches unless you plan on having the flat panel on a poll mounted stand then you do not have any place for your components to set on.
I also have a front projector, A infocus IN76 and to the guy above that said you need a controlled light enviroment is bogus! If you get the right consultant or do your homework you can get outstanding results with not light controll by using a retroflective screen. I currently have a greywolf 2 104" fixed screen at 1.8 gain. I can say that with no light controll that the image looks incredible because the light bounces back to the source (projector) as long as you do not have a window behind the screen inducing light, light from the sides are blocked out. I plan on purchasing the da-lite High Power 2.8 for even a better brighter image with a washable surface.
I did my research and found the perfect mount for my projector, the project mount is adjustable and I have it hanging about 3.5 feet from the ceiling with not wires being exposed, the projecter can also easily be taken off for cleaning or lamp replacement.