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Your MP3 download is pointing to this week's podcast 108 not the round table discussion.

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I think the other reason why people don't go the Apple TV or Vudu route is because most people don't have an internet plug behind there tv. For your average Joe the Plumber this would be more of an inconvience. I mean personally I think this very issue is going to sway me towards a blu ray player. I just don't really feel like going through all the hassle of putting an internet plug behind my tv. Great podcast!

Joe N
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I see your point about the blu ray players and I would want to update them for sure. I wouldn't install a plug just for that though. Plus, I'm not really into all the blu-ray connectivity features. I just want to watch hi def movies and that's it. In my case I would just drag a long cat5 cable temporarily from my router to my player to do the updates.

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1. Studios finally sell SD and or HD content without DRM at reasonable prices which can be easily backed up, and which can played on a whole variety of manufacturers devices.
2. Everyone now over the age of 40 stops buying content or dies off.

Until then, physical media (especially video) has a fairly long life left. Even CD's are not "dead" yet and its been overt a decade since many of us have bought one so dont; expect DVD's or Blu-rays to die off anytime soon. Our tech bubble is not representative of ALL mainstream consumers and those consumers are still a very significant source of revenue for content companies. It may not be sexy or futuristic to sell physical media but its still largely where the money is.

Digital downloads may catch on very quickly as a rental model but ownership will stay largely in the physical realm until the above two conditions have been met.]]>Nov 1st 2008 9:23AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/
Depending on your age (I am 38) most of my friends do not even have a DVR or if they do they just got it and there parents no way. For most people I know my age that do have a DVR or Blu-Ray, we watch way more TV than the other people and car about things like HD and 5.1 sound quality but we are way in the minority.

The next group the people coming out of college and younger are still not going to by these. They are the internet age. The netlfix and laptop age. The thing that I think will be bigger is streaming like the Nexflix idea, either to your laptop or with a connection to your tv. But even this a long way off.

The only way to get any of these to the masses and to be the next thing is through the cable or satellite companies and their boxes. Not even TIVO since the average person would never by one, unless it is through the cable company. What would also work is Netflix on a Directv box.

The average person or family will never buy these. It is just to much of a hassle and cost. ]]>Nov 1st 2008 12:06PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/Oct 31st 2008 9:36PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/
I'm sadly old enough to remember "Top Gun" as being the first new release VHS movie to be priced for sale directly to the consumer back in early '87 for $26. It also contained a Diet Pepsi commercial before the movie to help reduce the price.

Thanks for another informative podcast.


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Now they are working on 2k and 4k sets. Granted they are early in the game here, but in five years you will see consumer product. With that being said, a new physical media will be needed to handle the demands for 2k-4k resolution. Furthermore, our internet bandwidth will not be up to snuff to handle that type of file sizes. (unless you want to wait two days to watch a movie)

Just my two cents. ]]>Nov 1st 2008 9:55PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/
And since hardware manufacturers, cable systems and broadcasters have already made huge investments to feed our new TV's with 720 and 1080 signals don't expect them to jump ship for 2K and 4K standards anytime soon.

Just because somebody builds a big ass 2K or 4K set to claim they have the biggest or best TV at a electronics show booth does not mean those are coming soon to the average consumer .]]>Nov 2nd 2008 10:09AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/
Huge thanks
Rob]]>Nov 2nd 2008 3:01PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/
But it might be good to have a second roundtable on the same topic with guests who really understand how the industry works and discuss the technological, economical, and political hurdles each system (BD, VOD, downloads, and streaming) faces.]]>Nov 2nd 2008 6:41PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/15/sharps-4k-x-2k-64-inch-ultra-high-res-monitor/

I can see myself buying this in 5 years. ]]>Nov 2nd 2008 8:53PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/
The difference between 1080 and 720 is already hard enough for me to discern on a 46" TV sitting 8 feet away. According to the CarltonBale.com Viewing distance v. screen size chart you'd have to be sitting less than 5 feet away from a 62 inch TV to even notice resolution higher than 1440. Make that 2K and give yourself an average viewing distance of about 10 feet and you'd need a minimum of a 10 foot diagonal screen).

These higher resolutions simply aren't going to get much traction except amongst the ultra rich.





]]>Nov 2nd 2008 11:01PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/
As far as cost, of course it will be prohibitively expensive in the beginning, what it isn't in technology. ]]>Nov 3rd 2008 2:37PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/I think an important was made when you said it is important where you are coming from to the new formats. If your a On Demand cable customer Netflix is going to be very desirable. The more people convert to DVRs the less likely they will care about a physical format. It also matter if your a movie person or a television person. Television people will are probably more receptive to digital. ]]>Nov 4th 2008 3:26PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/http://hd.engadget.com/2008/10/30/engadget-hd-podcast-roundtable-downloads-vs-discs/I do feel that everyone is missing the point on all of this. We can take polls til we are blue in the face but it isn't going to change anything. Overall, I personally feel that there will be numerous vehicles for watching media, but HD & SD via download, NETFLIX, extenders, and blu-ray discs. Long gone are the days of standardization. Why? Greed! Pure & Simple.

However from that greed we will get a variety of way to watch, download, buy our media, which may not be a bad thing unless of course the format you pick doesn't make it. So my prediction for the future is Blu-Ray, Extenders, Service Providers (both cable, satel, Netflix, etc..). What we currenlty have going on now will all last in one form or another, including Blu-Ray. Despite its short comings its a heavily invested medium and a very tangible product (it can be sold on shelves, you can hold it in your hands)

I think you should have a poll as to what formats will last and which ones won't. What services do you see making it over the long haul and which ones you don't.

Our real concern is not buying products that have a new codec format, new delivery format, etc... You will have to let it get established.

Blu-Ray is established (although sales are slower than anticipated)
NETFLIX - established
Most of the others... semi established.

The future holds numerous High Def delivery methods. After a film is shot, conversion is not costly at all.

Keith]]>Nov 4th 2008 4:03PM