Sorry to see Fox and ABC use 720p, on my 1080p 60" set you can really see how it is inferior to 1080i, heck i wish they would use 1080p, but ill settle for 1080i in the meantime.
720p just isn't as good quality, it is almost like those networks picked it because it was cheaper than going full 1080i.
i cant help but laugh at this lol... 720P isnt good quality? oh god... And next youre gonna tell me that 1080P upconverted DVD are better than Blurays...
Did you forget about the Pioneer VS 120hz shootout where the 720P Pioneer plasma whooped up on every single 1080P LCD on the market???
Also, Unless you have a monster huge TV, there is absolutely no dramatic difference btwn 720P and 1080P. Also, remember, most movies are also filmed in 720P/1080i... Only recently are you seeing more action movies shot in full 1080P...
And one more thing... The reason why your signal is horrible is more than likely because you are getting it from your cable carrier... That means your signal is compressed and you get a lower quality HD picture... Throw an antenna on your TV for a full uncompressed signal and THEN come back and tell me 720P is not good quality..
I'd agree with you about cable overcompressing their HD broadcasts and suggesting to get an antenna instead to enjoy a better signal with higher audio and video quality. However, you lost me when you said "most movies are shot at 720p. Most movies are shot on film, which once scanned and digitized, it has over four times the highest resolution available to consumers.
@numerwan - "Also, remember, most movies are also filmed in 720P/1080i... Only recently are you seeing more action movies shot in full 1080P..."
Uhh...no....
Movies are filmed on...wait for it...FILM! Very few movies are actually digitally captured these days. Most film stocks have resolution capabilities far beyond what we call 1080p.
Analog film is transferred to digital generally at 2K or 4K resolutions, and is then treated and downrezzed for inclusion on a disc.
It's not that simple. For certain types of content, 720p60 is going to look awful compared to 1080i60, especially if the 1080i60 is being rendered by a TV able to see pulldowned content and reverse it. Most dramas and movies are filmed using 24fps cameras. 720p60 does an awful job of representing that, not so much because of the resolution, but because there's no easy translation between p24 and p60.
For other types of content, news programming and sports, i60 is going to be awful. Anything with a lot of movement is going to show up the interlacing on modern TV sets. Want to show a car chase in 1080i60? Expect to see lines as the highway shoots past the camera. Want to show a sporting event? Expect to see lines every time you pan the camera across the field. The only way to get around it is to film in 1080p24, pulldown it, and then hope the TV set will deinterlace the content, but you can't guarantee that'll happen, and the image will jerk when it pans instead of showing the lines.
The really funny thing is that with ATSC it really doesn't have to be "either/or". The channels could switch mode. The problem is they're worried about badly designed TV sets screwing up the change-over. Bah.
"Throw an antenna on your TV for a full uncompressed signal "
Ohhh no no no no. Over the air ATSC uses the MPEG2 codec and in most markets are broadcast using a very low bitrate (well, low for MPEG2 HD). Still, it beats the pants off of what we used to have over the air. I'm happy.
Dude, the networks that use 720p look the best on cable. The 4 ESPN HD channels are the best looking of all of them and it's 720p. What are you smoking?
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Sorry to see Fox and ABC use 720p, on my 1080p 60" set you can really see how it is inferior to 1080i, heck i wish they would use 1080p, but ill settle for 1080i in the meantime.
720p just isn't as good quality, it is almost like those networks picked it because it was cheaper than going full 1080i.
i cant help but laugh at this lol... 720P isnt good quality? oh god... And next youre gonna tell me that 1080P upconverted DVD are better than Blurays...
Did you forget about the Pioneer VS 120hz shootout where the 720P Pioneer plasma whooped up on every single 1080P LCD on the market???
Also, Unless you have a monster huge TV, there is absolutely no dramatic difference btwn 720P and 1080P. Also, remember, most movies are also filmed in 720P/1080i... Only recently are you seeing more action movies shot in full 1080P...
And one more thing... The reason why your signal is horrible is more than likely because you are getting it from your cable carrier... That means your signal is compressed and you get a lower quality HD picture... Throw an antenna on your TV for a full uncompressed signal and THEN come back and tell me 720P is not good quality..
I'd agree with you about cable overcompressing their HD broadcasts and suggesting to get an antenna instead to enjoy a better signal with higher audio and video quality. However, you lost me when you said "most movies are shot at 720p. Most movies are shot on film, which once scanned and digitized, it has over four times the highest resolution available to consumers.
@numerwan - "Also, remember, most movies are also filmed in 720P/1080i... Only recently are you seeing more action movies shot in full 1080P..."
Uhh...no....
Movies are filmed on...wait for it...FILM! Very few movies are actually digitally captured these days. Most film stocks have resolution capabilities far beyond what we call 1080p.
Analog film is transferred to digital generally at 2K or 4K resolutions, and is then treated and downrezzed for inclusion on a disc.
It's not that simple. For certain types of content, 720p60 is going to look awful compared to 1080i60, especially if the 1080i60 is being rendered by a TV able to see pulldowned content and reverse it. Most dramas and movies are filmed using 24fps cameras. 720p60 does an awful job of representing that, not so much because of the resolution, but because there's no easy translation between p24 and p60.
For other types of content, news programming and sports, i60 is going to be awful. Anything with a lot of movement is going to show up the interlacing on modern TV sets. Want to show a car chase in 1080i60? Expect to see lines as the highway shoots past the camera. Want to show a sporting event? Expect to see lines every time you pan the camera across the field. The only way to get around it is to film in 1080p24, pulldown it, and then hope the TV set will deinterlace the content, but you can't guarantee that'll happen, and the image will jerk when it pans instead of showing the lines.
The really funny thing is that with ATSC it really doesn't have to be "either/or". The channels could switch mode. The problem is they're worried about badly designed TV sets screwing up the change-over. Bah.
"Throw an antenna on your TV for a full uncompressed signal "
Ohhh no no no no. Over the air ATSC uses the MPEG2 codec and in most markets are broadcast using a very low bitrate (well, low for MPEG2 HD). Still, it beats the pants off of what we used to have over the air. I'm happy.
Dude, the networks that use 720p look the best on cable. The 4 ESPN HD channels are the best looking of all of them and it's 720p. What are you smoking?