http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/ Engadget HD Comments for Goldmund asks "What recession?," releases Telos 5000 amplifier http://hd.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://hd.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2009 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/Apr 28th 2009 9:50AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/Apr 28th 2009 9:56AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/Add two of these and you get 13000 watts 8ohms bridged, 48lbs total and cost about $4000.

Now tell me, aren't the rich absolutely STUPID?
http://www.crestaudio.com/products/browse.cfm/action/detail/item/116237/number/01000560/cat/322/begin/0/Pro%209200.cfm
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000NK5C8M/interactiveda8258-20]]>Apr 28th 2009 11:39AMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/"Now tell me, aren't the rich absolutely STUPID?"

I can tell you, you are STUPID for comparing a piece of junk pro audio amp to a ultra-hi-end home audio amp.

It would be like saying a Bugatti Veyron was a ripoff because a $100,000 semi truck has more horsepower and torque.

Watts means NOTHING.]]>Apr 28th 2009 12:07PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/Apr 28th 2009 2:01PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/
LOL... I bet you buy $5K audio cables. I'd also bet money that in a blind test you would never be able to tell speakers driven by this absurd $190K amp and those Crest Audio amps. $190K is beyond ludicrous. ]]>Apr 28th 2009 2:12PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/
If you are so confident that you can tell the difference between that Goldmund amp and a pro audio amp in a properly designed listening test, you should take Richard Clark's amplifier challenge:

http://www.tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/index.htm

By the way, no one has ever passed the test. In fact, no one has even come close.]]>Apr 28th 2009 5:08PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/Add two of these and you get 13000 watts 8ohms bridged, 48lbs total and cost about $4000.

Now tell me, aren't the rich absolutely STUPID?
http://www.crestaudio.com/products/browse.cfm/action/detail/item/116237/number/01000560/cat/322/begin/0/Pro%209200.cfm
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The problem with richards test is that it specifically does not allow for 'excessive noise' and this is one of the main differences between high end amps and off the shelf amps. On a good speaker system, with no audio signal (or zero signal) your average amp is going to have some background noise at even modest volume levels. During passages with large dynamic ranges (from quiet to full loud) it is the high end amp that will play with greatest fidelity. By imposing this one limit on the amps (that they be quiet) you are effectively limiting the number of potential contestants down to those with a high quality pedigree (From a design/manufacturing perspective) and the differences are going to be fairly small. the other limiting factor in the test is no test signals... why not. If the amps are equal, or perceptively equal then it should not matter that you are playing back test signals. the reason that Richard does not allow test signals is that the vast majority of commercial music has a noise floor well above the distortion levels of the majority of amplifiers available, this also colors the test because not only are you setting the bar high with the noise floor of the amps themselves, you are artificially raising the bar again by disallowing the types of audio signals which would reveal at least part of the signature of the amps. In other words, the test is loaded from the start.

Having said all of that (its just a response to the test), there are many good deals on amplifiers out there present tremendous value for the consumer. You do NOT need a megabucks amp to experience truly high end sound, in fact I would say that the amp is the last place you should spend your budget. Yes, you need a good amp, but without a good source, good pre-processor, and good speakers, it is very easy to blow money on an amp. And you should match your amp to the speakers you are driving since the speakers will be the single biggest component in coloring your sound. Pick your speakers first, pick everything else to support them and what you like about them, and of those components, pick the amp last.
]]>Apr 28th 2009 11:08PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/Apr 28th 2009 11:38PMhttp://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/http://hd.engadget.com/2009/04/28/goldmund-asks-what-recession-releases-telos-5000-amplifier/I would be surprised to learn that Bryston or Lexicon are commonly used in commercial theater applications. I have only heard of one theater that used Bryston equipment (SST pro amplifiers). Lexicon has the 960L but I dont know any theater that uses it.
Crown DSI/CSI, Crown I-tech or QSC PLX are the most commonly used amplifiers.
Dolby CP sound processors are very common also.

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The notion that differences in amplifier quality are non-audible is blatantly incorrect (considering that at the bottom they have a link to him commenting in a car sound forum should say it all), on the most extreme level, get the 300 watt amplifier in your sony hi fi with maxx bass to drive a set of JM Lab Utopia's, now get a 300watt Plinius to do the same job and tell me there's no difference, i will refer you to a hearing specialist. On a less obvious level go to your local hi-fi shop, get them to set up 3 different amps in the same price range (say a NAD, a Rotel and a Musical Fidelity) and you WILL hear the difference between them. There are a lot of elements of an amplifier that affect the overall sound that greatly differ between models.

I guess though, it does all depend on what your using them for, and how much you care, if your listening to your 256KBs MP3 copy of Tiesto, the crown will probably be a much better choice, but for anyone who care's about sound quality and spends a lot of time listening to music (ie; not Tiesto) then there is no way they would find listening to home audio produced by a crown amp remotely enjoyable.

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