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<generator>Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/</generator><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[I wonder if the PS3 will be able to support this via a firmware update considering all the extra hardware in a PS3 vs a standalone player?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[XDragon]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 10:48AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[What extra hardware?  A hard drive?  A PS3 is no different than other stand alone players except that it has a powerful processor and video card.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ivan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 12:06PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[After looking through the information on managed copy, I do not see anything that would prevent the PS3 from implementing this through software.  From what I can see the following items are required:<br>1. internet connectivity<br>2. processing power<br>3. storage for copies (several GB) - hard drive, flash memory, etc<br>4. ability to transfer to external device<br><br>What it will not be able to do is burn a DVD or Blu-ray.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 1:08PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Yes the PS3 could support managed copy via firmware, but as a managed copy takes virtually the same space as the actual copy, it means a single managed video eats the entire HDD. This basically tells you all to know as to why managed copy is such a waste of time for most mainstream users. In reality you'd probably need dedicated hardware or a PC with terabytes of space to benefit from managed copy.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[DrXym]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 4:00PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Ivan, <br>If you believe that the PS3 is no different than any other stand alone, you really need to do some homework. <br>The PS3 is a full blown computer with a CPU and GPU with more harddisk space and memory than any other non-PC built rig. The extra disk space doen't mean it can only store more content but it can also include new software to accomplish new tasks. Why do you think the PS3 is the most popular Blu-Ray player even among non-gamers?...Its because its more capable of being able to include new Blu-Ray features that other standalone players can't.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[XDragon]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 15th 2009 9:09AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[I was wondering that my self since they said the PS3 was going to be future proof as a BluRay player which is why I chose that option for my bluRay watching.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[shoan]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 11:01AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[As long as it is a 1:1 copy .. then whatever fine but if its compressed to all hell forget it ... I will stick with "Manged copy" Master Anydvd ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 11:05AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[This is such a bunch of bull just to make us forget about "fair use" and that we should have the ability to, legally, back up our movies/audio discs.  ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 11:24AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[I don't see this working too well. Though, I'm sure most people will end up using copying software anyways.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Erik Stroud]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 11:24AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[So Microsoft got the monopoly they always wanted after all. Surprise! When will these ass holes learn that not every one wants to be beholden to Microsoft. Call me when they will let me do what I want with my files and use them with any OS of my choosing. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[jv]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 12:25PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Apple has made it clear they do not want to have anything to do with Blu-Ray. They are a member of the BDA, but refuse to include Blu-Ray interop with their OS simply because they want to protect their iTunes "monopoly". <br><br>The studios are afraid of Linux simply because those users demand that they be able to see the source code for anything and everything they run on their computer. Giving away the source code to allow reverse engineering and easier hacking of the format is against what AACS is about. So they are out.<br><br>Sony does not care, because they are happy to sell you a Blu-Ray player, and they do care buecause they are a studio and want to keep everything protected.<br><br>The only DRM format left is Microsoft's. Do you not think that the BDA would love to have support for iTunes? Apple loves to talk about how pervasive their ecosystem is, and how it is beating the competition. Microsoft is not even part of the BDA, they were advocating the competition to Blu-Ray so you would think that the BDA would want to reward their members first. But when there are no other choices  - not because Microsoft is forcing no other choices, but the competition refuses to participate - it is not Microsoft's fault.<br><br>To use the all too common car anology, if Porsche were to start complaining about Toyota having an unfair majority of the hybrid car market when Porsche refuses to participate and build a hybrid, their claims are invalid. If Apple refuses to participate, any claims that Microsoft is forcing their monopoly on the market is invalid.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nohone]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 3:31PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[I just brought a Blu-Ray player and I will be damn if I am buying another one next year. So they need to do something for current users.<br><br>$250-500 for a player maybe change to them but it was a big investment for me.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Randall Lind]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 12:28PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[is this just about the digital copy or is this going to mess with the actual blu-ray discs coming out and will I have to upgrade my brand new player....If this will have zero effect on just watching the blu-ray discs then im fine with it. anyone know?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 12:44PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[One of the reasons that people still buy discs is that getting illegal material is time-consuming, complicated and of lesser quality.  Sad to see the MPAA is trying its best to make legal methods even more complicated and costly.  Bet you they down-rez, too.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[kcmurphy88]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 12:45PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[From the diagram: it looks like it could still be easier, and much less restricting, to simply RIP the disc like people always have.<br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ordeith]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 1:00PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Looks like it would still be simpler, and much less restrictive, to simply RIP the disc like always.<br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ordeith]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 1:01PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Hopefully though, this means microsoft can support the files through media center. The copy protection will be cracked.  ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 1:32PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Stupid shit. A few months after it starts you wont hear a mouse fart about it..just give me the best authored video and decent audio and I will buy another disc if need be.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 2:54PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[This is one of the reasons I would have preferred HD-DVD to win out.  It was much better thought out from the beginning, and didn't require multiple versions of the hardware, spec, etc. to add features that should have been there from the beginning.<br><br>Look at what they've had to add after the fact to Blu-ray that should have been there from the beginning:<br><br>* Managed copy<br>* Full interactivity<br>* Second video stream<br>* Second audio stream<br>* Local storage<br>* Internet connectivity<br><br>All of these were present with the initial version of HD-DVD, BTW.<br><br>Not only that, but the designers have made no provision for aspect ratios other than 4:3 and 16:9.  Other formats have to have black bars encoded into the video signal.  I don't think they learned anything from DVD.  It's ridiculous!  These people had absolutely no foresight whatsoever.  They should have supported other aspect ratios via anamorphic stretching and/or varying video frame resolutions.<br><br>Three years after the public availability of players and they are STILL making changes to the standard.  Incredible.  <br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 3:49PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[I hear you but HD-DVD had what...2 studios and my cousin Pete issuing titles...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 3:48PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[What are you smoking Doug? HD DVD never supported Managed Copy.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 3:50PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Managed copy was never there on HD DVD from the beginning. Yes HD DVD discs specified certain XML files required for managed copy, but no HD DVD player either in hardware or software ever supported the feature. Furthr, if you hit the servers specified in the managed copy files, they didn't even exist. It was all completely mocked up and never put into practice. In reality HD DVD would have suffered the same issue as Blu Ray, namely requiring new hardware to benefit from a fairly marginal feature.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[DrXym]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 4:08PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[The amazing this about this argument is that Blu-ray has not proved it wrong yet.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[kcmurphy88]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 4:41PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Actually from what I understand Managed Copy was a feature that was planned from the beginning with HD DVD.  Although the spec wasn't finalized back in 2007, the idea was that all HD DVD discs could be used with Managed Copy when the feature was made available.  I think that's what Doug meant.<br><br>On the PS3 front, I suspect Managed Copy will be used to make a copy to the hard drive and/or perhaps a downscaled copy to the PSP.  I'm wondering if charges will be invovled at some point, and or what restrictions may come up with utilizing the copy.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[nick]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 5:49PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Managed copy wasn't implemented from the beginning, but it was mandatory from the beginning. That is, were the war still on, then HD DVD players supporting MC in 2010 (actually I suspect we'd have seen the implementation earlier) would work with your existing copy of Blade Runner, while the forthcoming Blu-ray players aren't going to work with your existing copy of Blade Runner (most probably, it's possible Warner enabled it anyway, but they haven't been under any obligation to enable it.)<br><br>That's really the major difference. HD DVD said "Mandatory from day 1", Blu-ray said "We will make it mandatory, one day, but not yet."<br><br>The major issue is that Sony's myopism on the issue (and HD DVD's death) means MC is already dead. There's little incentive to buy a BD player that supports MC if your existing library doesn't work with it.<br><br>My prediction: MC isn't going to be used by anyone. Blu-ray "enthusiasts" will claim that nobody ever wanted it, and thus Blu-ray never needed to have it, and that was more evidence that HD DVD sucks and, and, and, yadayadayada, but in actuality it will fail because it's been set up to fail. Studios will point at its unpopularity and probably use it to claim that nobody is really interested in "fair use", and meanwhile shuffling plastic discs around will continue to seem like an antiquated way of watching movies.<br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[squiggleslash]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 13th 2009 10:52AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Exactly squiggle!<br><br><a href="http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2005/09/5355.ars" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2005/09/5355.ars</a><br><br>HD DVD did support Managed Copy from the beginning just that hardware didn't have it integrated. As you mentioned, addition of it wouldn't require any new purchases.<br><br>We are now actually seeing how bad and unfinished Blu-ray is as a format. I'm sure that BDA and CEs are laughing all the way to the bank for ripping consumers. Each new features or expansion of the format requiring purchasing of new hardware is BAD and should be criticized heavily. This is not a small thing. I'm not going to buy new players for this. It's ridiculous and again shows what a mess of a format Blu-ray is.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Bozster]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 13th 2009 10:57PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[HD-DVD did, in fact, include Managed Copy as a feature as part of the standard.  It was later removed when AACS was finalized.  But it was part of the standard.<br><br>Managed Copy was the cited reason that Microsoft and Intel backed HD-DVD over Blu-ray.  They believed that consumers would want that feature.<br><br>HD-DVD, aside from its lower capacity, was much better designed than Blu-ray.  Its design was complete when it went public, which has not been the case with Blu-ray, as we've now seen four different versions of it since it came out.  As we've seen in format wars before, it often isn't the best format that wins out.<br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 13th 2009 11:39PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Doug,<br>For someone who can't read you sure can't write well. <br><br>If you could read I'm sure you would've noticed that AACS was just finalized recently and it DOES include mandatory Managed Copy -- hence the point of this post.<br><br>Face it, HD DVD never supported Managed Copy, because like Blu-ray, it was waiting for AACS to be finalized. <br><br>The entire Intel vs Microsoft move ended up helping us as here we are years later and mandatory Managed Copy is a reality. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 13th 2009 11:41PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2005/051216a.html<br><br>"Previously, HP supported the Blu-ray Disc format exclusively. The company had requested the Blu-ray Disc Association adopt two customer-friendly technologies, Mandatory Managed Copy and iHD, which are already included in the HD-DVD format."<br><br>gizmodo.com/gadgets/strange-but-true/legal-copying-of-hd-dvd-and-blu+ray-discs-huh-263313.php<br><br>"One studio said it's hoping this Managed Copy system will be in place for the 2007 holiday season. Meanwhile, the HD DVD Promotional Group added that ****Managed Copy will be backward compatible HD DVDs****, while it won't be on Blu-ray discs. No matter what, there will still be DRM slathered all over both formats."<br><br>blog.seanalexander.com/PermaLink,guid,6a55c911-1906-42e2-924f-8f43812fbe78.aspx (summarizing a MS/Intel announcement):<br><br>"Managed Copy – A First for DVDs:  Managed Copy is a guaranteed feature within HD DVD that gives consumers the freedom to make copies of their discs to a hard drive or home server, including Media Center PCs, and enjoy them in every room of the house over their home networks.  HD DVD discs also will allow copies of the movie to be played on portable devices."<br><br>www.hometheatermag.com/news/060107managedcopy/<br><br>"Managed copy is mandatory in HD DVD and optional in Blu-ray. That means the spec, when finalized, would work retroactively for all HD DVD discs in circulation. In Blu-ray the implementation would be more selective. In either case, whether (and how) the feature would actually be used would be decided by the studios on a title-by-title basis."<br><br>www.pcpro.co.uk/news/78287/intel-explains-hd-dvd-decision.html<br><br>"'The reason we provided support for HD-DVD is that basically it has committed to several features. Specifically, the mandatory managed copy,' said Donald McDonald, vice president and general manager of Intel's digital home group."<br><br>www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/6899.cfm<br><br>"The HD-DVD camp has already committed to this feature in the upcoming format developed by Toshiba. "<br><br>I relent on the feature being removed from AACS final spec (several documents I found on the Internet erroneously stated that this was the reason it never came to fruition on HD-DVD), but my initial point that the HD-DVD camp was commited to Managed Copy from the beginning remains.<br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 14th 2009 8:18AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[If you ever looked at the mngcopy.manifest.xml files on HD DVDs, you would notice they pointed at non-existent key servers. None of the servers ever existed, e.g. Universal disks point at <a href="http://smc.universalhomentertainment.com" rel="nofollow">http://smc.universalhomentertainment.com</a>. There was no infrastructure, nothing. The HD DVD spec might have said to include some file but that was as close as it ever got to reality. None of this stuff was ever tested. I haven't looked at blu ray disks for their MC settings, but I suspect the situation is the same there too.<br><br>It's highly unlikely that existing disks would have "just worked" if ever managed copy were actually implemented. Even if by some miracle all the settings were correct in every detail disks still wouldn't work unless each studio implemented the necessary infrastructure (Universal, WB, Dreamworks etc). I can well see some studios not bothering, or taking years, or piling some kind of purchase system over the top of it.<br><br>So really the claim that HD DVD always had managed copy is pointless and beside the point. I expect the same holds for Blu by the way. Eventually some infrastructure might turn up but it will be spotty. Managed copy will also demonstrate how largely irrelevant it is for most users since managed copies are the same size as the originals which might be great for minority of people who play media from multiple Tb servers but not much use for the remainder.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[DrXym]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 14th 2009 7:29AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[I never said it was ever implemented.  I only said it was planned.<br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 14th 2009 7:45AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Doug,<br>All those quotes are regurgitated FUD from HD DVD's PR department. <br><br>The FACT is that NOT ONE legal copy of an HD DVD was ever made via Managed Copy.<br><br>Now as whether existing HD DVD discs would be copyable now that AACS is finalized, we'll never know will we because the format failed to survive. <br><br>Actually I don't think we've received confirmation one way or another regarding existing Blu-ray titles, all we know is that existing player won't do it. But then again most of players don't have burners or the facility to copy the contents of the disc over the network either. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 14th 2009 8:24AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Marketing spin, perhaps, but not FUD.   The feature WAS planned into the spec.  Whether it was ever going to work or not we'll never know.  But at least they DID TRY, which is more than we can say for BRD until now.  <br><br>The fact remains that HD-DVD was better planned than Blu-ray.  Otherwise we wouldn't have the fourth revision of BR coming to fix omissions from the original version of the format.  Every HD-DVD disc that ever came out was under the same spec.  Every player was produced under the same spec.  It didn't take three years after its public release to get closer to the features that it should have had from the beginning, breaking compatibility with older players in the process.  And even with that BR still doesn't offer everything that HD-DVD did... combo discs, region free discs, for example.  Blu-ray won out because it caters to content owners, not consumers.  I don't think we have ever seen a more consumer unfriendly format.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 14th 2009 10:34AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[If you still love HD-DVD so much, go to HMV and buy them up, 4 for $20.<br>I'll enjoy my evolving Blu-Rays and take my PS3 firmware updates to accommodate them while I just enjoy good HD movie watching. <br>Arguing over HD-DVD now is such a waste of time no matter what side of the fence you were on back in the format war.<br>Its over and done with, move on and buy Blu if you want HD on media, buy DVD if you hate Blu or get your downloads if you don't want HD in media form. <br>Its all a matter of preference, but HD-DVD is no longer an option outside of the existing inventory and its not coming back.<br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[XDragon]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 15th 2009 2:17PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Let me correct myself before the usual pricks criticize the post instead of taking the real message from it.<br>When I said media, I meant optical media as in something tangible.<br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[XDragon]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 15th 2009 2:21PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[You're making an assumption that I hate and haven't adopted Blu-ray.  Neither is true.  I have two BR players and a significant investment in discs.  I do still buy HD-DVDs occasionally though, because they're about $4 each now.<br><br>I'm just saying that BR wasn't as well thought out as it could have been.<br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 15th 2009 2:23PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[Did the HD DVD crowd ever realize that consumers and content providers alike want an open and evolving spec? It's not "broken", it's just not locked in for the next 10 years... <br><br>Had the designers of DVDs had the same forethought, it could have continued as a standard well into the HD cycle.<br><br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[russ99]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 14th 2009 11:40PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[An evolving spec?  Really?  That's about the worst idea yet for consumers.  An open spec might be a good idea, but having an ever-changing target is only sure to frustrate people.<br><br>Imagine the confusion and frustration in the following hypothetical scenario: John Doe buys a disc in 2009 for a DVD player he purchased in 2005.  But it won't play because his DVD player and the disc he purchased was designed for a different version of the DVD specification.  Why not?  They're both DVD, right?  He calls the player manufacturer, and gets a boilerplate "Oh, I'm sorry, your version 4.5 DVD player doesn't play version 6.0 discs.  You'll need to buy a newer DVD player" answer.  Poor John thought that DVDs were DVDs were DVDs.  To avoid further confusion he cuts way back on his purchase of movies, because they might not work in his player.<br><br>For people who read sites like engadget daily, we might know about different versions of specs and what they represent.  But 99% of the population doesn't know, and doesn't care.  Consumers expect that when they buy a DVD, Blu-ray disc, whatever, that it will work in the DVD player or Blu-ray disc player that they have.  The name is the same, right?  If the name is the same the expectation is that it will work, and work as designed.<br><br>Long-term standardization is our friend.  It allows formats to catch on in the long run, and ensures that customers have a frustration-free experience.<br>  ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Aug 15th 2009 5:11AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[I've got a MSc degree but I couldn't explain that picture to someone if my life depended on it.. <br><br>Isn't it strange that something that can be accomplished today with AnyDVD HD and three mouse clicks, will need the processing power of Skynet when The Industry wants to throw DRM into the mix?<br><br>]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[zeeke]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 7:56PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[OK, pardon my ignorance, but what does all this mean for Jo Schmo who has just purchased a blu ray player? ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[DVD4ME]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 9:11PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[DVD4ME.. this means that when you make a managed copy of your Blu-ray movie, your Blu-ray player you just bought won't be able to read that disc without you purchasing the new player that's up to AACS license.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Bozster]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 13th 2009 11:11PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[I'm not really sure there's any substantial benefit to using managed copy with a blu-ray player, I would think managed copy would come into play if you own a copy of the movie and you want to transfer a copy to a portable device-- say a laptop or PSP, or whatever.  That way if you're traveling, you don't necessarily have to carry the disc with you.  The copy of the movie will need to validate with the internet.<br><br>Now I suspose you could transfer a managed copy to a hard disk on a blu-ray player, and watch the movie without disc, but it's unclear how many times you can use the managed copy (does anyone know yet?), and why would you wait to transfer the movie when you can simply play it immediately on disc if you using a device that has blu-ray?  ---I guess if noise was an issue.<br><br>Seems to me managed copy is paving the way for the inevitable digital distribution of the movie.  If you can make a managed copy from disc, why not then, just directly from the internet via the content distributor?  It's almost the same concept.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[nick]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 14th 2009 11:52AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[I can't wait to see what happens when someone just cracks the DRM on the managed copy files.  Does anyone pay attention to these imbeciles anymore?  Would it really suck that bad for a studio to simply not pay for AACS, it's not helped anyone.  It was cracked within weeks, and it will remain so.  Why do they pay for nothing?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 12th 2009 10:28PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[The chances are that your managed copy is encrypted with a unique key issued by a key server and bound to an account that you must create on the server and then activate on any device you want to play copies from. As such, every single managed copy will be uniquely encrypted and bound to your account.<br><br>That more or less rules out a "class break" since every file is unique. Now there could be an exploit in a particular device that allows you to extract the raw data as the managed copy is being created, or as it is being played. But trying to crack the resulting files is probably a complete waste of time.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[DrXym]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 13th 2009 3:04AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[I could not care less about managed copy. <br><br>I by a BD disc and all I want is to watch the bloody movie on my home cinema installation. <br><br>I could not care less for any "extras" or "managed copies" or any such thing. I am strongly anti-pirate since I do believe it is not fair that people making a good script, book, song, whatever should not get paid for it or that people should just benefit from it without paying.<br><br>Anyway, I bought into BD when I thought (hoped) that the players where reasonable stable but if I ever get a disc that wont play, well that disc will be ripped faster than you can say Blu-ray.]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonsson]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 13th 2009 4:42PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[You are in contradiction with your own statements. You can't rip anything because it's illegal. So you are in essence breaking the law by ripping discs. <br><br>I do it too, but pot/kettle?<br><br>That's the whole point. Managed Copy is a version of your movie as a backup so it is a big deal. ]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Bozster]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 13th 2009 11:02PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Bozster, no I am not. Read the comment again.<br><br>Most of it was a general statement about extras and additional crap on a disk that I didn't want. <br><br>I didn't say that I wanted a backup or anything. I said that if they put fancy crap on a disk that stopped my player from playing it (managed copy or some other "feature") then I would rip it so that I could watch my legally purchased movie.<br><br>Has never happened to me yet though...]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonsson]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 14th 2009 3:04AM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[@ Jonsson<br><br>Sorry to bust your bubble but making a copy of your "legally purchased" BD  is considered illegal according to the MPAA!]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Xeod]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 14th 2009 12:03PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[@Xeod<br><br>Whow Xeod, it's illegal, thanks for giving me this valuable information. <br><br>If you read through my post again you might crasp what I actually wanted to say.<br><br>Sigh !!!]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonsson]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 14th 2009 2:50PM</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Comments on Blu-ray gets Managed Copy next year, requires new hardware]]></title><link>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</link><guid isPermaLink="true">http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/12/blu-ray-gets-managed-copy-next-year-requries-new-hardware/</guid><description><![CDATA[A minor and probably fairly meaningless step forward (what's the point while Blu-ray burners and blank media remains so laughably expensive and such a bad gb/$ deal?).<br><br>It's also worth noting the other side to this news.<br>They're about to sh*t on the earliest adopter (ie everyone who doesn't have kit compliant with all the DRM incorporated in blu-ray).<br><br>Still, "they knew what they were getting into", right?<br><br>(it'll do wonders for sales of AnyDVD)<br><br>"All new players sold after December 31, 2010 "must limit analog video output of BD content to interlaced standard definition (480i/576i). Then, 2013 is the expiration date for analog video: no player that passes "Decrypted AACS Content" to analog video outputs may be manufactured or sold after December 31, 2013"<br><a href="http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2849" rel="nofollow">http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2849</a> <br><br><br><br>So, how come engadgetHD missed that little gem (surely of more importance to more people)?]]></description><dc:creator><![CDATA[Multi-format-mayhem]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Jun 14th 2009 11:22AM</pubDate></item></channel></rss>
