http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/ Engadget Comments for Blu-ray's Managed Copy explained, a Movie Jukebox is possible http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
If they dont want this to fail from day 1 they better allow people to copy just the movie and the main audio track free of charge for any move you purchase. Or start pricing blurays at 9.99 and getting people who want managed copy for an extra charge.]]>Jun 19th 2009 5:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/]]>Jun 20th 2009 12:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
Dear Blu-ray and the clowns behind AACS: take your broken copy protection and "managed copy" and shove it. In the meantime, I'll be using AnyDVD HD to backup my movies to my media server and stream them to my HTPC.]]>Jun 20th 2009 12:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
I was... WOW!... reading about how great Managed Copy is, and thought all the previous press just didn't talk to AACS-LA to get the real scoop. Designed with the consumer in mind! W00t!

But then, there's the deal killer, BURIED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ARTICLE, that each copy will probably cost money? w00....whoa!

Seriously, Ben, you didn't think that was THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT OF ALL? You don't even mention it in your opening! You waited till about half-way through, when the majority of readers have probably already dropped out (Inverse Pyramid of Journalism). Why!?!

I'm all in for BD. Love the technology! I am also fine with Digital Copies to my iPod, so right now Managed Copy isn't a big deal for me. IE I'd probably be called a "fanboi," and I *still* think you blew this one.

:-(

-Pie]]>Jun 20th 2009 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
It will be interesting to see how this goes once everyone upgrades their Blu-ray players to support this. Just when you thought Profile 2.0 and advanced audio bitstream capabilities meant you could finally have a feature-complete Blu-ray player....]]>Jun 19th 2009 6:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
I buy bluray because I want the highest possible quality for the real movie home theater experience. But once I've paid even $20 for that movie I should be able to watch it however and whenever I want as long as I don't share it with others. AND I should be able to make a backup of the movie for my own uses to protect against any kind of damage to the original vehicle that movie came on. For example, I have a 3 year old and her movies are going to get scratched. Why should I have to rebuy her movies over and over - especially when I've tried to do the right thing in buying them to begin with. If I'm purchasing a license to use and watch the movie then it shouldn't matter if I convert it to a file on a media player so that my original copy can stay safe on the shelf.

If the studios charge for each and every viewing, or if they charge too much for each copy made, people will eventually figure out how to copy it illegally - just so they can use it in a reasonable fashion. Fair Use should be about fairly being able to use the products that we buy. If copy protection blocks me from being able to use the product at all, then it's reasonable to break that copy protection in order to be able to watch it. The DCMA even sort of contains a provision or exception for this, although the specific case it refers to is that Sony CD protection that ended up containing some kind of malware. In that case it's legal to remove the protection in order to prevent the malware.
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badweasel knows that he would be able to make a legal copy of the disks that he purchased. His complaint is that the article implies that he would have to pay an additional fee in order to make that legal copy of the disk that he already purchased. An example might be paying $20 for the BD + $5 to make the managed copy (I'm just throwing numbers out there, we don't know how much copies will cost).

@badweasel

I could see the studios selling dual versions on BD, one with MC and one without, and they would of course charge a slight premium for the discs with MC on them. Then the MC discs could include a coupon for a free managed copy, that would cover people buying discs, yet still allowing for rent, rip, & return customers to pay for their managed copy. Also, I think MC is going to require new hardware (not sure if this is accurate), so selling dual versions would allow customers to get the latest movies on BD without upgrading their players. That's what I'm hoping will happen.]]>Jun 20th 2009 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
It is NOT legal to make a copy for backup purposes or format shifting if the content is encrypted. Go read the DMCA. Yes, it does seem to conflict with fair use, but it hasn't been struck down by any court.

I agree that the whole idea of paying for managed copy is stupid, and I have no interest, but you should be aware that using AnyDVD or some other method to decrypt/rip your Blu-Ray (or DVD, or...) is a violation of the DMCA and against the law.]]>Jun 20th 2009 9:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
1) Project the image to a wall or display on TV and record using a video camera. The MPAA has actually cited this as a legal means of making copies of DVDs.

2) Make a bit-for-bit copy with the encryption intact. If you didn't decrypt it, you didn't violate the law.

There are no doubt many other ways. Don't fall for the FUD folks-- making backup copies & making copies of any media, DRM encrypted or not, is perfectly legal.

**This has been a public service announcement**]]>Jun 20th 2009 10:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
You are a bunch of idiots. Blu-ray is still nothing but a "bag of hurt" when it comes to computer use, and this managed copy doesn't look to be changing that. So you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to download my own managed copy, for free. I'll still support you guys, because I want to support my favorite films, but not by buying your outrageously priced Blu-rays. I'll buy DVDs like I've always been doing, and you know why? Because no matter which device I put it in, it actually plays. No worrying about drivers, HDCP, or Power DVD updates. I put it in, it plays. I don't need to buy a managed copy just so I can play it without problems. So here's some advice: When designing your QuadHD format, try making "just works" one of the features

Signed,
Everybody]]>Jun 19th 2009 8:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
We'll a 'jukebox' that gets new stuff automatically, has no upfront software investment and allows you to only pay for what you watch?

I just don't see the point anymore in managed copy now that you get every thing on demand. ]]>Jun 19th 2009 8:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/Jun 19th 2009 10:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
Here's my advice: go ahead and find some software to make the backup copies and do the format shifting that you are legally entitled to do. I'll never pay one penny for a copy, and this whole thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I will probably never buy a BluRay player, at least not for more than $50. It's customer-hostile policy like this that will kill the format before it's ever had a chance.

If I owned stock in companies, I would do what I could to fire the CEOs. They've squandered billions in shareholder equity with their backwards-looking approach. I honestly hope all these media companies end up in bankruptcy court.]]>Jun 20th 2009 12:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
They're spending money to protect their DRM schemes. Next time the DCMA exemption for fair use is brought up, they will list this feature as a reason why legal circumvention is not needed. It will at least get less of a laugh then the camcording a tv argument. This is all about protecting their encryption. If they manage to create an additional revenue stream from the clueless, even better.]]>Jun 22nd 2009 8:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
I've met very few average people who are even mildly interested in blu-ray, and it's all because the movie studios are screwing themselves and the bluray technology.]]>Jun 19th 2009 9:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/Jun 19th 2009 9:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/I cannot see how this was "designed with the consumer in mind". Maybe with their wallet in mind. Charging for additional copies only appears to truly benefit the CE companies like Kalidescape, by giving them a legal avenue by which to offer their jukeboxes to the very top echelon of consumers, who probably are not going to realize they paid twice for the content on their $50k whole house server.
The media corporations have not changed and will not until they are staring bankruptcy in the face. Even then I am sure they will sue somebody because that is easier than innovating.]]>Jun 19th 2009 9:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/

wait....]]>Jun 19th 2009 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/Jun 20th 2009 4:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/Jun 19th 2009 10:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
I will be damned that I will need buy another PS3 to watch blu-rays or another blu-ray player for that matter. I would rather just go back to DVD's.]]>Jun 20th 2009 12:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/Jun 20th 2009 3:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
As most everyone else pointed out, they're graciously allowing us to pay them to do something we've done free up till now? Um, no. I'll do DVD or I'll find "other ways" to do what I want. I'll happily buy a disc, but then get your grubby little paws outta my wallet!]]>Jun 20th 2009 12:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/Jun 20th 2009 1:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/Jun 20th 2009 1:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/Jun 20th 2009 1:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/Jun 20th 2009 4:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
Blu-ray issues films with digital copies for sale, which is entirely compatible with itunes whether on a mac or pc. Sadly Apple has been stonewalling inclusion of Blu-Ray in their products. they don't have a single computer which can playback an BD movie. nor do they offer blu-ray in any of their products.]]>Jun 20th 2009 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/blu-rays-managed-copy-explained-a-movie-jukebox-is-possible/
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