How to relocate a HD set-top-box and still have it work with an HDTV

Just about any HD set-top requires the same connections to your HDTV; video, audio and control. If HDMI-CEC actually worked as it was intended, then this would mean one cable, but were not holding our breath. You can still use HDMI for two of the three, but you're going to also need a way to control the box from the comfort of your couch. The most universal way to do this is with an IR repeater. With this you can use just about any remote you want and you aren't limited by the range like other wireless technologies. This isn't usually a big deal since you already have to run at least one wire for the video and audio anyway, but it does cost extra.
IR repeater
Since IR is the De facto standard when it comes to home theater control, we'll start there. Like most things HT related, to relay the IR signals you can spend as much or as little as you want. But no matter what equipment you use, you're going to need some wires so we like to use a CAT5 cable, but any data grade four conductor cable works -- IR repeaters only need three conductors (ground, +12, and signal). Other than the wire itself, you need at least four pieces of hardware to relay IR; the receiver, an emitter, a connecting block and a power supply. We surfed around a bit to find the least expensive options, which come to about $80 without shipping or tax. You might not be able to get by with these though because depending on the type of TV ( and other light interference) you may have to buy one that is resilient to light from an LCD TV (for example). These specialty IR receivers can really get up there in price and in some cases cost as much as $150. But even in our example below, the receiver was the most expensive price of the lot, amounting to over half the cost of the entire IR repeater system -- although this one does include the IR block. But even if you have a typical TV, you might not like the inexpensive IR receivers because they don't fit your decor. Luckily these things are pretty universal, so if the one you like is not the same brand as everything else, it will usually still work.
Connecting things up is pretty simple, the blaster plugs into the block like a pair of headphones, but you'll probably need some wire strippers to extend the wire with a CAT5 from the receiver to the block if your extending to another room. Once you power it up, you should see the LED indicator on the receiver light up when you use a remote and the emitter will usually flash too, but you can buy ones that don't if you prefer.
Mounting the emitters can be tricky on some equipment. We find that a flashlight makes it easy to see where the equipment's IR receiver is located. Sometimes even when the flasher is properly placed, some equipment doesn't work well with emitters. One trick we found with regards to the 360 is to take off the removable face plate and then mount the IR receiver underneath it. This is also nice because when you put the face plate back on you can't see the emitter -- admittedly it doesn't matter much since it's in the closet where no one can see it. You can also try different emitters and even blaster type emitters depending on the application.
IR parts list
IR receiver $48
IR emitter $15
Power supply $17
Component or HDMI?
For video and audio, you have a few choices as well. HDMI is obviously nice because it caries both video and audio in one cable and is pretty future proof, but you can also use component, which makes sense in some cases -- you'll need to run wires for both audio and video though. Component will usually be cheaper and if you want, you can even make the cables the exact length you need since it is possible to terminate them yourself.
In either event, if you stay under a 50 feet, you should be okay with just a simple cable. If you need to longer though, you'll find that not all AV components are created equally and you might need an repeater in-line to deal with attenuation. If you're going HDMI, as most will, then you have a choice of either using a set of baluns that carry the HDMI signal via a pair of CAT5 or fiber cables, or you might just go with a more basic repeater. Baluns are preferred but way more expensive (at least four times as much starting at $100), so it will really come down to your equipment and how long your runs needs to be. We could write an entire other post on the options for extending HDMI, and who knows maybe we will.
Wall-plates
Depending on how much of an obsessive compulsive disorder you have, you may want to get some connection specific wall-plates. Some say you're just asking for trouble inserting additional connections into the equation, while others just aren't down with using blank wall-plates with a hole in them. Either way, you need to have something to finish off the holes where the wires are coming through. So no matter which you choose, you need to pick up some retro-fit low-voltage brackets and a simple dry-wall saw.

As you can see this isn't as cheap or as easy as it should be, but it's totally worth if you are a wall person -- you know everything has to be mounted on the wall -- or you want to use an Xbox 360 as an extender for Media Center but you can't stand the noise of the fans while you watch TV. Honestly all of this is usually the easy part as the real work is running wires. Either way this should be enough to get you started on your way to boxless HD bliss.

























Wow. I'm not one of those that has to have everything perfect in their setup, but that thing looks awesome. Too bad it doesn't have HDMI.
Sweet
You mention that the cheapest option is about $80, but wouldn't this $18 device from monoprice do the same thing?
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10105&cs_id=1010503&p_id=5415&seq=1&format=2
Take it easy on me if I'm way off here... the only IR extender I've ever used is the free one that came with my Pinnacle brand "Sling player" type device.
Man that's a tower of obsolescence right there, a Xbox360 AND a HD DVD player...
What a loser.
Hey, that 'obsolete' Toshiba A2 HD DVD player is also just about the best DVD upconverter you can buy. Best $32 I ever spent on eBay. I constantly have visitors that are shocked at the quality of DVDs played on it, even the people that own Blu-Ray players. This box (and my 360 for HD download streaming from my media server) are the reasons I will not be buying a Blu-Ray player, even though my TV is a 50" 1080p. Guess what I'll buy if the Toshiba player dies. The same one.
First off, to all the people complaining that their 360 is too loud (even if it's the jasper model), grab a can of compressed air and clean out all the dust from the back.
I'm not a Microsoft fanboy, in fact I hate microsoft with a passion, but I also know a decent product when I see one. The 360 and soon to come Windows 7 are both very decent. I have tried the PS3 at friends' house's and I honestly must say I wasn't too impressed. Not that the 360 is more impressive, I just found it much nicer to work with.
Now to everyone making the overdone and overkilled RRoD joke... it's over. No more RRoD (other than the odd one). If your system hasn't RRoDeathed yet than it's probably one of the non-defective models. If your system has RRoD by now, then you've already received a free repair or replacement, which also means you would have a stable model.
The RRoD was a pain, mine crapped out twice. But it's good now, and media center is the best. Use media center with the media browser plugin and media center master to collect all your show and movie info and you're golden!
Chris,
My old Falcon RRoD so since my main room is setup (not pictured) in such a way that requires a 360 for me to watch TV at all, so I just went and bought a new one while I waited for it to be repaired. I made sure and looked through the serial number opening in the box to make sure it was a Jasper by making sure it was 12a instead of 14. Took it home and turned it on, and yes it was still too loud for my taste.
Bottom line is that HD gear should be silent. MS should find a way to make the 360 run fanless when it is in media center mode.
Ben good write-up put I think you should add something on heat\airflow. I have a A\V receiver, 360, 2 PC's, and several external drives in one closet. I had major heat issue's at first.
I had to trim the bottom of the door a inch so air could flow in from outside the closest. Then I cut a hole in the top of the closest, then I put a PC case fan up there pulling the air out. It made a huge difference. Everything runs cool now.
Maybe once Monoprice learns how to spell correctly I might give them a shot at my business. ("SINK" on their HDMI repeater, c-mon)
Jeff you Fail....
Sink
The sink renders the content for display so it can be viewed. Examples include TVs and digital projectors. A sink has one or more HDCP/HDMI receivers.[10]
I work for a custom installation company in southern california. We very, very rarely use IR kits anymore since most universal remotes with work with an RF module. I have 7 brand new of the exact IR kits above and 3 power supplies sitting in my warehouse that are just collecting dust.
They were are made by xantech, but OEM'ed for UStec (which has been acquired by On Q Legrand).
If you're interested, got to my companies website, www.crsys.net and must send an email to the general questions box in the bottom right. I'll sip anywhere and give you a good deal.
It can be hard to find wall plates with all the component options you need.
You can get custom wall plates built here http://www.datapro.net/products/custom-wall-plates.html
I created a double wide one with SVideo, Component, RCA, HDMI, Ethernet and VGA for a ceiling mounted projector in one of our conference rooms.
I have all my equipment out of sight, ps3 directv work with built in RF. My problem is my roku netflix player doesn't have built in rf, what do I do to get rf on the roku?
Almost all universal remote companies have an RF to IR converter. You just have to have a remote that is compatible with the module. Unfortunately, the remotes and modules are proprietary to each other.
one remote to rule them all....
URC-RF20 with power pack. save yourself all of the problems..
sheesh, IR blasters? surely you'd have gone for an RF set up? who wants to have to point their remote at the exact location of the IR blaster?
do yourself a favor and buy the Universal remote control RF20 with the powerpack. I have the stronger more powerful MX-850 as well and they both do an excellent job and can control your 360 or ps3(with ir adaptor) with ease. plus, you won't have to strip anywires as they just plug in the back and because it's RF you don't have to locate them anywhere.
As for the 360, I have both ps3 and 360 and I'd never use either as a media extender, I have a pioneer elite with the home media gallery and an HTPC hooked up to my gig. both blow the piss outta gaming systems. just use them to play halo and killzone :-)
V Langs,
That URC-RF20 is the ugliest remote I've ever seen. I'd consider one if I didn't think it'd scare the wife and kids.
Do you know if its possible to use the Directv RF remote with the Roku box?
Ben,
point well taken, BUT....I'd rather have a remote that'll control EVERYTHING without the need for color displays and the like, AND get RF capabilities for about 75 bucks. the MX500 was 500 dollars and it still isthe best i've used, but for the money rf20 does exactly what it says without any bit of fuss.
you can use your IR harmonies all you want, have fun stringing an IR unit into your living room, which you didn't mention where you'd put. you didn't say you were going to get a wall unit, and the pictured one is a large box which wouldn't fit on the top of a wall mounted Plasma or (shudder) LCD.
so what say you?
I HATE Harmony remotes.
And no I don't use that ugly IR receiver.
Here is the receiver I use.
http://bjdraw.com/2009/04/05/my-electronics-in-pictures/home0925/
And here is the remote I use.
http://bjdraw.com/2009/04/05/my-electronics-in-pictures/home0931/
All my macros and logic are done by a Home Automation controller.
Very Nice!
Ok, so even though it isn't references,this is my this is my rack and as some other one pointed it, it is very well ventilated. For the one that said it is an obsolete rack, you are sorely mistaken. You are only seeing a fraction of the entire rack, and even with what is pictured, I would argure the obsolecense comment. True, HD DVD is dead, and so are the DMA2100s, but i have a fair collection of HD DVDs that I don't feel like rebuying, and the 2100s work great. The whole point of this article is getting the equipment out of your main room. I agree that the xbox 360s can be loud for some, but they are one of the quietest things in the rack. I have 3 additional servers that make a lot more noise. For those of you that suggested ir/rf. Actually, I use a gc100 from global cache to issue the ir "on" via tcp/ip and my automation controller. From there is is all controlled via tcp/ip through autonomic homes controller. Its rock solid and can be controlled from anywhere in the house, even my web interface.
Wow, that is what I get for writing at 3 in the morning. My post hardly even makes sense. What I'm trying to say is that everything is ventilated, and by moving the equipment I have eliminated all noise in my listening areas. Guess I need more sleep....
What did you/can you do about extending the range of the 360 controllers? Those do not work via IR. They might be ok if you are going through one wall, but you could have problems if you located the unit very far from your living room.
Microsmith makes IR repeaters that are a little easier to set up. Their website is http://www.hot-link.com, but they also have a new product called the "zoner" that lets you centrally locate an IR "hub" that can drive up to 6 head units over Cat5. http://www.beachaudio.com/product_info.php?products_id=262713
Good quality product and great support - they appear to have done a lot of work to address normal end-user concerns!
I'm using that same concept with IR repeaters and even some great Monoprice cables, but have thrown in a 4x4 matrix switch (you can get them in rca or hdmi on eBay) to have a four room, four device a/v network. These switches route various inputs to various outputs so for example - room 1 can watch device A while room 2 is watching device C. I added in some JP1 (or use learning remotes) for system and matrix switch control from each room and it's like having four great systems (with several DVRs) for just over the price of one. Forget media center extenders and htpcs in each room - give each family member their own device and let them route it to any room.
I don't think they cared about hard drive space or even DivX playback
if they put it in another room. It seems like they only use it for a
MC extender.