What was the important bit of this recent report that was left out?
Digital downloads, of course, why? Could it be because they dwarf Blu-ray's sales? You decide.
Almost $1 billion v $400 million. Naaa, nothing to see here, move along, best not even mention it.
"The Digital Entertainment Group today trumpeted a surge in newer video formats for the first half of the year. Although spending as a whole between January and June dropped 3.9 percent versus the early part of 2008, the industry agency says the amount of money spent buying Blu-ray movies jumped 91 percent to $407 million. Direct-download movies also helped offset problems with DVDs and climbed 21 percent to $968 million." http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/07/16/blu.ray.sales.climb.91pc/
S'funny how that (according to some) terrible old Internet infrastructure, that won't be ready for years and years, is already supporting almost $1 billion in sales, well over double Blu-ray sales (in addition to the "14 billion videos downloaded last year" going on by the sharing community).
Here YOU go again - the same crying ass post month after month. Guess what - for all the complaining you do - BLURAY IS STILL HERE. And it isn't going anywhere. So you can post on Engadget HD for the next decade, and bluray will still be on store shelves. So...in the real world...you lose, as all of your bluray bellyaching counts for jack.
And the key part YOU are missing is electronic sell through was slightly less than $196M. Electronic sell through is the equivalent of owning a movie. Thus, other $772M came mostly from VOD - which most people with a cable box have access to. There is no special purchase or hardware required above your service provider's STB. Funny how in your quote you chose to leave this little tidbit of info out.
Oh and percentages are a valid form of data. If bluray sold $407M this year so far, and is up 91% from last year, well, you have two of the data points needed to calculate last year's actual $$ sales. So stop complaining and get out your calculator.
Have fun fighting a losing battle against bluray. Your posts here will do nothing to stop it from growing and entering more and more homes. Sucks for you.
It's about stripping out the BS (as if you didn't know).
It's about getting the whole story and not just the obvious pro-Blu-ray spin.
How come you're not asking why you're not getting the whole picture and why can you, like certain others here, always be relied upon to come in attacking those who want to see the whole picture?
Here's another bit they left out from the source.
Blu-ray Q1 shipments were 19.16 million compared to DVD's 312.6, not even 10%. You'll also find "sell through of standard DVD was down 14 percent to $2.89 billion". $2.89 billion v $400 million. http://www.dvdinformation.com/News/press/042809.html
All in all it just goes to show that that 91% number is nothing like as impressive as it's intended to be, it's just a drop in the ocean.
Clearly some here prefer the usual blatant PR & spun BS to the whole truth and the complete factual picture........and rather amusingly they get pretty wound up when anyone gives them the whole picture. Propaganda is so much more warm & comfy, huh?
MFM - thanks for posting this (I'll thank you even if EHD's band of reliable Sony fanbois insist on flaming anyone with anything other than unconditional love for Blu-ray), but I'm a little... perplexed by the stat you've posted.
How, exactly, can digital downloads suddenly now be at $1B a year given the standards are still being worked out and people are still fighting a variety of different technical challenges to get the things to show on a TV? Is it possible the figure includes ALL digital downloads, including, say, iTunes music? Given the vagueness of the article, which talks about "packaged media" rather than movies specifically, my guess is that would be the case.
I also am curious about one discrepancy in the article. Supposedly Blu-ray is up 91% for sales, but only 62% for rentals. With the relatively high cost of BD discs, you'd expect the rises to be the same. Could it be we're looking at a sales increase because a large number of players have been shifted, with new owners buying new discs to go with them, and then being less interested in the format after doing so?
Thank you squiggleslash, it's nice to know at least some people around here are interested in the whole picture (or as much of it as we can find) and not just the cherry-picked bits that make them feel great about their buying choices (which is weird cos I have plainly said that I have a Blu-ray player too, I'm just not into lying to anyone who might listen about how it's going to slot in as 'the next DVD').
Digital downloads? My bet is the bulk of their sales now showing are from Netflix, Apple & Xbox live. You'll notice that even Sony recently brought Netflix to their Bravia TV owners (although strangely not to their PS3 owners, not yet anyways).
The numbers are showing one thing pretty loud and clear, Blu-ray's earnings are disproportionately high compared to DVD but their volume sales are tiny (as indicated by Blu-ray showing a tiny 6% shipped compared to DVD yet 13.8% of cash sales value). There's the premium being gouged from the early adopting gang right there - and the shipped numbers indicate the mass-market is still decidedly steering well clear.
Some prefer to dwell on the earnings number, I see the minimal mass-market penetration as the problem. If they do let prices drop to DVD levels that premium vanishes and they are just left with their much higher production line costs eating into profits - assuming the mass market ever were to be enticed to move. That doesn't seem to me to be a very stable base for anyone expecting the format to last any time.
(which is what I have been saying from the beginning)
Sigh! The old HD-DVD fanboy goes on his usual crusade as soon as there's some positive news about BD.
It's really tiresome to hear this senseless ranting. If you do not like BD, then just let go. If it's as bad as you pretend (which it is not) then it will fail and you're obviously happy. If not, well you're less happy and the rest of us are more happy.
What's predictable is the way certain posters here roll in to defend partial reporting and attack anyone trying to give the more complete and accurate picture.
Every time. Bit of a give-away.
Then there's the endlessly repeated & ludicrous and false claims that anyone trying to give an accurate picture 'must' be a 'hater' (or be in some sort of way odd for preferring something other than the other clear misinformation). It's laughable.
It's really tiresome to hear this senseless pro-Blu-ray ranting.
If you 'love this CE product that is Blu-ray so much, then just let go. If it's as amazing as you seem to want to pretend it is (which it is not) then it will really will grow enormously & take over and slot in as 'the next DVD' like you and the BDA always claimed. You'll obviously be so happy you'll be permanently soiling yourself with joy.
But seeing as it's not going to, well then you're obvious snidey & unhappy demour is obvious to all & fully explained......but at least the rest of us get a good laugh seeing it in the meantime.
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Here we go again.
What was the important bit of this recent report that was left out?
Digital downloads, of course, why?
Could it be because they dwarf Blu-ray's sales?
You decide.
Almost $1 billion v $400 million.
Naaa, nothing to see here, move along, best not even mention it.
"The Digital Entertainment Group today trumpeted a surge in newer video formats for the first half of the year. Although spending as a whole between January and June dropped 3.9 percent versus the early part of 2008, the industry agency says the amount of money spent buying Blu-ray movies jumped 91 percent to $407 million. Direct-download movies also helped offset problems with DVDs and climbed 21 percent to $968 million."
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/07/16/blu.ray.sales.climb.91pc/
S'funny how that (according to some) terrible old Internet infrastructure, that won't be ready for years and years, is already supporting almost $1 billion in sales, well over double Blu-ray sales (in addition to the "14 billion videos downloaded last year" going on by the sharing community).
Blu-ray has a bright future?
I don't think so.
Here YOU go again - the same crying ass post month after month. Guess what - for all the complaining you do - BLURAY IS STILL HERE. And it isn't going anywhere. So you can post on Engadget HD for the next decade, and bluray will still be on store shelves. So...in the real world...you lose, as all of your bluray bellyaching counts for jack.
And the key part YOU are missing is electronic sell through was slightly less than $196M. Electronic sell through is the equivalent of owning a movie. Thus, other $772M came mostly from VOD - which most people with a cable box have access to. There is no special purchase or hardware required above your service provider's STB. Funny how in your quote you chose to leave this little tidbit of info out.
Oh and percentages are a valid form of data. If bluray sold $407M this year so far, and is up 91% from last year, well, you have two of the data points needed to calculate last year's actual $$ sales. So stop complaining and get out your calculator.
Have fun fighting a losing battle against bluray. Your posts here will do nothing to stop it from growing and entering more and more homes. Sucks for you.
It's about stripping out the BS (as if you didn't know).
It's about getting the whole story and not just the obvious pro-Blu-ray spin.
How come you're not asking why you're not getting the whole picture and why can you, like certain others here, always be relied upon to come in attacking those who want to see the whole picture?
Here's another bit they left out from the source.
Blu-ray Q1 shipments were 19.16 million compared to DVD's 312.6, not even 10%.
You'll also find "sell through of standard DVD was down 14 percent to $2.89 billion".
$2.89 billion v $400 million.
http://www.dvdinformation.com/News/press/042809.html
All in all it just goes to show that that 91% number is nothing like as impressive as it's intended to be, it's just a drop in the ocean.
Clearly some here prefer the usual blatant PR & spun BS to the whole truth and the complete factual picture........and rather amusingly they get pretty wound up when anyone gives them the whole picture.
Propaganda is so much more warm & comfy, huh?
Get over yourself!
MFM - thanks for posting this (I'll thank you even if EHD's band of reliable Sony fanbois insist on flaming anyone with anything other than unconditional love for Blu-ray), but I'm a little... perplexed by the stat you've posted.
How, exactly, can digital downloads suddenly now be at $1B a year given the standards are still being worked out and people are still fighting a variety of different technical challenges to get the things to show on a TV? Is it possible the figure includes ALL digital downloads, including, say, iTunes music? Given the vagueness of the article, which talks about "packaged media" rather than movies specifically, my guess is that would be the case.
I also am curious about one discrepancy in the article. Supposedly Blu-ray is up 91% for sales, but only 62% for rentals. With the relatively high cost of BD discs, you'd expect the rises to be the same. Could it be we're looking at a sales increase because a large number of players have been shifted, with new owners buying new discs to go with them, and then being less interested in the format after doing so?
Thank you squiggleslash, it's nice to know at least some people around here are interested in the whole picture (or as much of it as we can find) and not just the cherry-picked bits that make them feel great about their buying choices
(which is weird cos I have plainly said that I have a Blu-ray player too, I'm just not into lying to anyone who might listen about how it's going to slot in as 'the next DVD').
Digital downloads?
My bet is the bulk of their sales now showing are from Netflix, Apple & Xbox live.
You'll notice that even Sony recently brought Netflix to their Bravia TV owners (although strangely not to their PS3 owners, not yet anyways).
The numbers are showing one thing pretty loud and clear, Blu-ray's earnings are disproportionately high compared to DVD but their volume sales are tiny (as indicated by Blu-ray showing a tiny 6% shipped compared to DVD yet 13.8% of cash sales value).
There's the premium being gouged from the early adopting gang right there - and the shipped numbers indicate the mass-market is still decidedly steering well clear.
Some prefer to dwell on the earnings number, I see the minimal mass-market penetration as the problem.
If they do let prices drop to DVD levels that premium vanishes and they are just left with their much higher production line costs eating into profits - assuming the mass market ever were to be enticed to move.
That doesn't seem to me to be a very stable base for anyone expecting the format to last any time.
(which is what I have been saying from the beginning)
Sigh! The old HD-DVD fanboy goes on his usual crusade as soon as there's some positive news about BD.
It's really tiresome to hear this senseless ranting. If you do not like BD, then just let go. If it's as bad as you pretend (which it is not) then it will fail and you're obviously happy. If not, well you're less happy and the rest of us are more happy.
What's predictable is the way certain posters here roll in to defend partial reporting and attack anyone trying to give the more complete and accurate picture.
Every time. Bit of a give-away.
Then there's the endlessly repeated & ludicrous and false claims that anyone trying to give an accurate picture 'must' be a 'hater' (or be in some sort of way odd for preferring something other than the other clear misinformation).
It's laughable.
It's really tiresome to hear this senseless pro-Blu-ray ranting.
If you 'love this CE product that is Blu-ray so much, then just let go.
If it's as amazing as you seem to want to pretend it is (which it is not) then it will really will grow enormously & take over and slot in as 'the next DVD' like you and the BDA always claimed.
You'll obviously be so happy you'll be permanently soiling yourself with joy.
But seeing as it's not going to, well then you're obvious snidey & unhappy demour is obvious to all & fully explained......but at least the rest of us get a good laugh seeing it in the meantime.
Thanks for that.