Windows 7 Media Center review

We've been waiting a long time for this and it's finally here, the latest version of Windows Media Center. Well, we really stopped waiting a few months ago when the release candidate hit, but waited on composing our thoughts until after we had a chance to play with the RTM copy. For the most part, as you'd expect the RTM build is identical to the RC, sans the bugs, but there are plenty of upgrades over Vista Media Center. Many of these new features were also in the TV Pack, but in our book that doesn't count. For starters it was OEM only, and thus you could only get it (legitimately) by buying a new PC, but the real reason is because it was so buggy, it was beyond usable. In fact we still stand by the theory that the TV Pack was nothing more than an early preview for OEMs of the new guts of Windows 7 Media Center. Gladly that is all behind us now, so keep reading to find out what gets us excited about Windows 7 Media Center.
Windows 7 Media Center in action on an Xbox 360.
Windows 7 Media Center in Windowed mode.
Pleasantly surprised
- TV show images throughout the guide and Recorded TV (not a frame of the show).
- Channel logos are now possible with 3rd party plug-in and much appreciated.
- Series recording options have some welcomed additions like HD Preferred, Live, and airtime.
- Improved EPG DB makes great utilities like Guide Tool possible and you can import custom programming data.

- Media Center Desktop gadget.
- The new mini guide is 100x better than the old one.
- Guide can be color coded by show type.
- Guide button added when in windowed mode is a nice addition.
- You can easily manually add missing DTV channels without editing xml.
- All the Win 7 versions support four tuners of each type (QAM, ATSC, CableCARD, etc) instead of only two.
- Trick play is noticeably more responsive, skip, fwd, etc.
- Scrub bar when used on a PC is awesome, really love the thumbnail previews as you drag, but the current time can be hard to read at times.
- The scheduling of recordings seems streamlined.
- Fade in and out when you stop and start video adds to the experience.
- If one show in a folder is going to be deleted there is now an ! and towards the bottom it explains why.
- Current time to the seconds is displayed on the scrub bar when watching Live TV.
- New text input method with remote when searching is improved.
- Internet content is tightly integrated with regular TV, but no HD or decent content to be found.
- Pictures and music have a few new features like ratings and favorites.
About time
- There are now HD logos in the grid and in the show info at the bottom.
- Accessing Recorded TV from another Media Center is easy with HomeGroup, but resume is limited.
- Alphabetical order of Recorded TV is now correct (The Office is listed with Os, not Ts).
- One button press for show info when watching video, wonder why it wasn't there before.
- Can edit channel 3.1 to make it 3 instead of forced to use 1031.
- Extender UI (360 and 3rd party) is greatly enhanced, faster and better looking.
- ATSC sub-channels are now supported and even include guide data -- shocker.
- Favorite views in the guide, which can be made static so you don't have to select them every time.
- Movie Library is actually usable (and doesn't require a registry hack to enable) and supports more file types.
- Ability to resume video types other than dvr-ms and wtv.
- Native QAM support that even finds channels that have PSIP data, and you can add the rest manually.
- Ability to combine tuners of different types to resolve recording conflicts automatically based on priority.
Still waiting
- Only one Live TV buffer, so when you change the channel you lose it.
- Can't record the buffer.
- Configuring the display is still a mess. Things don't act as you'd want, it's a mystery to figure out what Microsoft's idea of a monitor or built-in display is, etc. All we want to do is to be able to turn off overscan for goodness' sake.
- H.264 support isn't implemented the way you'd think, (can't play MKV's with AVC).
- "Deleted by" screen in History should show the extender name not mxc2-7mc.
- Settings for single recording are still useless, can't even record extra on a show without extending the entire series.
- Still no deleted items, so you have to confirm every delete and they are all permanent.
- HD is still not a category for keyword recordings.
- Video preview is still too small.
- Still can't list Recorded TV by date AND put the shows in folders.
- Still no resolution pass through, so everything is scaled to one resolution.
- Grid guide still won't take up the entire screen.
- 4x3 thumbnails are cheesy, and should be the aspect ratio of the recording.
- When watching a show that is still recording, the show info pops up when it is finished recording -- why?
- If the 360 Extender gets disconnected, it won't re-connect with a press of the Green Button, but it does try to auto-connect after some time.
- No easy way to backup and restore your channel lineups and Series Recordings.

Performance and Guide
Just like the rest of Windows 7 when compared to Windows Vista, performance and revisions of existing features are the theme in Media Center. The performance improvement on Extenders is instantly apparent especially with the trick play functions like fast forward, rewind, and skip. This is one area where Vista Media Center noticeably lagged when compared to TiVo, and now we'd like to see it side by side to see how it fares. The menus and guide are also more responsive. This also goes for the 3rd party Extenders which although they all seemed to be discontinued, they get a much needed speed improvement with Windows 7. The other big improvement is with the Electronic Program Guide. This is an important aspect of any DVR and the fact that Microsoft doesn't charge for data is one of the best things about Media Center. While the guide in Vista was archaic and basically like XP 2005 MCE, Windows 7 is all new -- well it is kind of new, as most of it was available in the supper buggy TV Pack. Not only is the new guide visually better, but it includes images throughout that add to the experience as well as new ways to navigate -- like holding down the right button to fly to another time in the future. Under the hood things have changed too, and many of the painful limitations in Vista are gone. No longer are ATSC channels crippled with bad channel numbers (1081 vs 8.1) and no sub-channels. On top of this, all the tuner can be combined per channel to help resolve conflicts and give you control over which tuners are used for which channels. In addition there are new APIs available that finally make it possible to inject logos for each channel -- not sure why they aren't included -- and create utilities to edit the lineup. It is even possible to import custom data, but what you can't do is easily backup your data.
Ecosystem
What still remains a question though is how Media Center fits into Microsoft's overall ecosystem. In the past Microsoft has received a lot of heat for not integrating all of its products, and for good reason. Some believe that it just isn't going to happen, but it does seem that things might be coming together this year. Now lets be clear, Windows 7 is feature complete, and we're not trying to say anything to the contrary; but this doesn't mean that integration with the other products is out of the question. We learned that the Zune HD will be available about the same time as Windows 7 and that it is going to integrate with the Xbox 360. We also got to see the latest Windows Home Server Power Pack 3 Beta bring more integration with Media Center and expect to see much more in the next version of Windows Home Server due next year. The question is how well will the Zune work with Media Center and other unknown devices. One thing that leads us to believe everything is coming together is PlayReady (one of the types of DRM approved for use with Blu-ray's Managed Copy). This latest generation of DRM from Microsoft is being included into just about every product out of Redmond, Windows 7 and the Zune HD included. These facts combined with the new reorganization happening inside of Microsoft under the new Microsoft TV, Video & Music Business division gives us hope that it'll all work together.

Unannounced tuners
The last remaining unknown at this point are new tuners. With Windows 7 we've already seen a few ATSC and QAM tuner from Avermedia that have made adding live HDTV to Media Center much more affordable. We also know that the new version is due of the ATI firmware which is rumored to bring us relaxed DRM and Tuning Adapter support. Ceton has also announced a multi-stream CableCARD tuner capable of recording six HD channels at once. More recently, ATI Digital Cable Tuners have shown up on sites at close out prices; which leads us to believe that new tuners might be on the horizon. On top of all of this, are the leaks from the Windows 7 Beta group indicating that DISH Network will have a tuner that works natively as well. Unfortunately it seems that a DirecTV HD tuner is off the table, but we haven't given up hope that it might be released eventually. (Both DirecTV and DISH Network use h.264 for HD, so 3rd party extenders won't work.)
Conclusion
Once you switch to Windows 7 Media Center there is no going back. It might not seem like that much at first, but when you try to go back to Vista or even another solution like Moxi or TiVo, it is like going back in time. The fact is that Microsoft has been in a league of its own with Vista Media Center and while the competition is still sitting idle suing each other, Microsoft has yet again raised the bar. There is no doubt in our mind that it is the all around best DVR solution available today, but we recognize it isn't for everyone. The upfront cost is the most glaring barrier to entry, with the potential maintenance a close second. That being said, we say with confidence that Windows 7 Media Center is extremely stable and don't worry about missing recordings -- at the same time we leave automatic updates disabled and leave it be by not using it for anything else. We have high hopes that between now and the official release of Windows 7, that Microsoft will improve the value proposition by building a comprehensive ecosystem, while at the same time hardware prices will come down to reduce the upfront costs. All of this combined with what might happen with Windows Home Server 2, makes us believe that we won't be moving on from Windows 7 Media Center in our home anytime soon.





























nevermind ordeith states that the xbox can boot into media center mode on start up. next time i'll try and read through all the comments.
Yes the 360 can either Boot to Dashboard, Boot to Media Center, or Boot to Game Disc
What would really be nice is the WHS integration that everyone is dreaming about. While we are dreaming how about native integration with Windows Mobile 7. Isn't that Microsoft's mission anyway with the 3 screen strategy?
Too bad MythTV has been doing all this for years now
this article is well written. I have never loved a gadget more than my new htpc HD PVR Windows 7 Media Center solution since I can remember. At least not since TIVO in 2001 or the Garmin Ique 3600 -- and maybe the iphone. I now watch live HD in bedroom 360 extender piped from living room htpc (only have one HD box). Unlimited recordings - just keep popping those 1tb drives in - and real cheap now to!! Smooth jump from music to movies, to recorded tv. Ultra easy and pretty cover art display for movie and music - and nice eye candy GUI all around. Tons of third party apps - shout cast and record radio - and throw up the songs lyrics at the touch of a button!! Media browser - weather - Netflix - Hulu desktop - I could go on..
one thing they need is to get out a program for cutting commercials out of h.264 wrapped in wtv files
Hi ! I'm looking to get the best out of my TV and huge channel lineups.. My question is: what's the best Media Center solution out there.. ? I'm stuck right now with a crappy 10 year old looking cable SD digital tuner.. I'd like to be able to Record, and browse live tv on a more evolved system and more aesthetically pleasing operating system..
Thanks ;)
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7 MC and mkv support.
Will 7MC support the use of codec packs? i.e. klcodec or sharks 007 win7codec?
I use shark's... works great.
so the improvements all seem to be based around the TV side of things... what are the video/music side of things like??
Will it stop me from using the amazing media browser add on?
Wow Win 7 MCE looks great. I have been holding back to upgrade my XP 2005 comp, since Vista really did not offer much., but 7 looks amazing. Really great to hear that xbox extender will be able to play more formats and the UI looks very slick.
Though have a question about the tv services. I have AT&T U-Verse and work at tech support for it, so I know the ins and out. However I am still trying to figure out how to get u-verse working with MCE. I know a STB will be required, but previous attempts would either just not changed the channel on the STB. So while MCE was recording the same as always. Hope 7 fixes this, maybe its just something on my end, but eh. Still very excited to get the full version :)
Is that annoying "zoom" issue fixed in the RTM where it can't remember your zoom preference based on channel or tuner? i.e. I select an analog channel and use zoom 3. I then go to a digital channel that requires zoom 1 and it's still on zoom 3.
No clue, I don't own any analog tuners. If I switch to a SD CableCARD channel and put it on zoom 4 and then go to an HD channel it stays on zoom 4. This is from a CableCARD tuner, to a ATSC tuner.
Any idea if Microsoft is the one that updates the channel synopsis and guides or does it rip it from the cable box?
Microsoft gets the data from the same place your cable co' does, but not from your cable co'.
Hope someone can help me out.
I'm getting the components together to network all my systems & extenders. I have recently ran cat 5 cable throughout the house, & upgraded a few old systems. I have a windows home server in place as well. Next step for me is to remove some of the old tuners and upgrade accordingly.
Before I go buy new tuners cards, I need to know:
1. Is the Silicon Dust Home run worth it? Does it record Discovery HD and similar channels
or do I have to buy a cable card tuner @ $200 a pop?
I have Comcast digital cable and I want to record the HD stations other than those that I can get over the air.
What tuners would be best?
Signed..
getting started & confused.
To record channels other than you get OTA on cable you need a CableCARD. You can find them online for about $200 per tuner. Hopefully someone will announce less expensive ones by the official launch of 7.
7MC supports hybrid tuners natively now, right?
Doest the divx mkv splitter support chapters in mkv? What about and ff/rew?
Not sure about the hybrid tuner question, I know it doesn't support qam and atsc at the same time on the same tuner.
And no, there is no chapters or fwd/rwd in MC for MKVs, but there is resume.
Looks real nice. Far slicker than a Tivo or Cable Company DVR.
Now where can I get a Win 7 Media PC with cable card support? Still only OEM's? Any vendor recommendations that won't break the bank?
I guess with the XBOX 360 you can just keep that at the TV, and keep the media center PC in an office or heck, even a closet?
I have been using the new media center for TV for quite a while now and amd thrilled with the improvements W7MC (finally) brings. It's reliable and stable and does everything I want.
One small problem, I set up a second system and found that you could no longer buy the excellent Microsoft remote through the normal channels. You can get OEM ones through ebay etc.
Are M'soft steering people towards having to buy an Xbox just to be able to use the remote? You can buy Xbox remotes separately but you won't have the USB IR receiver necessary to make any remote work on your PC. They do however make an expensive 'media keyboard'. Weird.
Just the type of praise and notoriey that Microsoft needs - better yet - deserves! Windows Vista Media Center was leaps and bounds ahead of the competition, but it was still lacking soem features. It seems that Microsoft has finally hit the mark with Windows 7 Media Center, though personally I haven't had the opportunity to test drive it yet. I'm waiting for the release on new PCs and notebooks, having a two year old Vista machine just means it's time to upgrade anyway!! Only looking forward for the great things that Windows 7 has shown thus far, and a whole lot more!!
The other big thing no ones talking about is you can finally stream divx movies thur media center. Not big news for 360 owners but anyone with a STB extender should be wetting there pants.
Hey I have Dish HD right now and a HTPC that I bought in 2006 that I don't really use. I just looked at this Windows 7 Media Center and I really liked it and was wondering if there was anyway I could put it on my HTPC and then record and watch my DishHD stuff on it. I tried reading the comments but don't really understand what a lot of people are saying so I was hoping someone could help me out. Is what I want even possible?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm not exactly that great with tech stuff...
I don't know when it is actually gonna be out, but I do know Dish has been hard at work on native integration into MCE. I can't recall if it was gonna be a separate device like DirecTV's attempt or a firmware update to an existing ethernet capable box.
But yes, give it time. The option will come unless Dish pulls a DirecTV and cancels it (which I haven't seen signs of yet)
Gonna keep using SageTV.
For those that don't like the devault SageTV UI, try out the SageMC. The devault setup is pretty simple. Adding in additional things like the batch metadata tool can be a bit confusing but well worth the effort.
I still can't wait to get Win7. Gonna make it a Christmas present for my network.
There's one MAJOR thing I hate about Windows Media Center 7, and that's the digital cable tv tuner support (or lack thereof).
Apparently, Microsoft "can't" support digital cable cards for Europe (Finland in my case), because of "copyright issues" or somethig like that, but thing is, they also say that they would only experience that with PayTV channels, not free-to-air ones.
I really, really, REALLY wish someone would find a hack for Media Center to allow manual QAM, burst rate and channel MHz's. :-/
No mention of the feature that sold me on Win7 MCE:
You can still hear audio when fast-forwarding one increment. This means I can squeeze in more news and current events before I go to work.
I can also come back to my apartment during my hour-long lunch break and finish an hour-long program without being late returning to work (skipping commercials too).
That is a cool one.
I just checked and realized why I never noticed it. My Media Center is headless because I only use extenders and the feature doesn't work on Extenders.
Xp users please check this out (Vista / Windows 7 Media Center for XP) : http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/index.php?/topic/22552-vista7-media-center-gui-ported-to-windows-xp/
so i lik you whay
How can there actually bew a review on Windows 7 since it's not out yet? Not even RTM is the final version we shall be seeing when it;s released. There are more surprises from Microsoft that are coming ahead. And some things are known but aren't going to be released until Windows 7 ships.
Well for a lot of Windows users out there who like media center functionality the fact there are better alternatives out there would be an afterthought.
I don't know about Windows 7's Media Center application having not tried it but saw Windows XP MCE and originally was not really that good -- while some might disagree after all it had recording capabilities assuming you had a good TV Tuner capture card and a program guide features not available in Front Row on Apple Macs with OS X but Windows MCE was just a an attempt by Microsoft to copy their failed MSN TV strategy for Web TV on the PC.
Roughly Drafted which has been criticized recently for having a too pro Apple bias presents a number of credible facts in some of their articles -- there is a good one called Microsoft Windows XP MCE vs Apple TV -- detailing how Microsoft bought WebTV and ruined its business after rebranding it MSN TV. What they did was changed the OS on the Web TV box from running Sun Solaris based software to Windows CE making it vulnerable to security threats and easy for hackers to install Linux while rebranding the name as MSN TV. They tried giving the hardware away for free and making money selling subscriptions to the service but most people only signed up for the short term so any long term profits vanished.
What Microsoft did learn from its failure at MSN TV is it is better in providing the software (although there software is not necessarily the best it succeeds better in software than hardware) otherwise no lessons of why MSN TV failed came to them. They just scrapped MSN TV and tried again with Windows XP MCE -- this time Microsoft decided rather than risk providing the hardware itself and risk doing so at a loss they could sell an OEM version of Windows XP with Media Center to computer vendors for special new PCs sold and the hardware vendors can compete over hardware and lose money and Microsoft can go back to being a software slumlord. Microsoft had years earlier established its business with a horizontal model for Windows and later Office by making its software available on a number of computers -- contrary to Apple's vertical model of tying Mac OS to its computers.
Microsoft's horizontal model worked with Windows, with their MSN TV effort their first effort at a vertical business model they failed, they then decided to get back to their horizontal model --- they made their Media Center application a part of Windows with the hope this could succeed. In its early years MCE was a failure though -- since 2005 it may have started to catch on though as Microsoft got some content partners to work with them -- and since Vista by bundling Media Center with new retail copies of Windows Vista Home Premium and earlier and every new computer shipping with Vista Home Premium + Microsoft could make MCE accessible to existing computer users updating to Vista and higher or new computer users getting Windows regardless of what edition of Windows they get as long as it is Home Premium or higher.
I have a Windows PC with a TV Tuner capture card and XP Professional at home -- someone I know had an HP Pavillion laptop with Windows XP MCE and they used the TV Tuner on it -- a year or two after getting it though hard drive issues started occuring and viruses came somehow -- computer dies and she switched to a MacBook Pro (interesting) considering I also use MacBook Pro and a Mac Mini.
I have an Apple TV, a Mac Mini, and a MacBook Pro along with an iPod Touch. My PC which still works and has an ATI TV Wonder VE TV Tuner capture card works with VirtualDub a good video editing and recording application that supports the Video for Windows format.
I wonder if Microsoft has aside from changing the business model of Media Center since XP and adding content partners has finally learned from the MSN TV failure or not. By the way readers have written in about the Roughly Drafted article I mentioned agreeing and disagreeing with some of the points in the article -- they agree that Microsoft killed WebTV and recycled it as Windows XP MCE without realizing what went wrong with their efforts to turn WebTV into MSN TV but each individual in the article with reader responses to that article showed a variety of different opinions were there.
I've found plenty of great software by the way on the Mac here are some I am using
1) Cover Stream (requires Mac OS 10.5 Leopard or higher) iTunes Coverflow controller on desktop
2) Lounge (requires Mac OS 10.5 Leopard or higher) a Front Row style screensaver showing what's playing in iTunes
Both 1 and 2 are available from Snarb.tk
3) Macintosh Explorer (unfortunately fate of future development is uncertain at this time) by Rage Software -- provides a Windows Explorer like app for new Windows to Mac switchers (www.ragesw.com)
4) JewelCase music visualizer for iTunes (Mac only) turns iTunes into a visual juxebox and shows album artowkr in a spinning virtual CD www.opticalalchemy.com
5) Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac (see www.mactopia.com or www.microsoft.com/mac)
6) Wii Transfer for Mac -- lets me stream content in Mac iTunes Library to Nintendo Wii via Wii's Internet Channel. Wii Transfer is available by Riverfold Software.
7) Rowmote Helper for Mac -- required for Rowmote Pro on my iPod Touch (got from Apple App Store) to work as a remote control app -- replacement for standard Apple Remote while maintaining Apple Remote style interface but less restrictive controls more applications than Front Row. Rowmote Helper for Mac and/or Apple TV can be gotten via www.rowmote.com
8) Mozilla Songbird with Media Flow plugin (Media Flow is like CoverFlow but for Songbird)
9) Mozilla Firefox for Mac
10) VLC
If I hadn't gone to Mac OS X might have switched to Linux MCE. I've heard some negative things about Windows MCE that if you choose Microsoft's media center software for your home theater setup you'll literally have to hand them the remote -- don't like Microsoft DRM -- not that Apple DRM is any better actually prefer to rip my DVDs and add to iTunes then sync to Apple TV, iPod Touch etc. Linux MCE sounds interesting as does Myth TV -- what I like about open source is not just that the product is completely free -- have nothing against shareware or commercial products but open source community respects user freedoms and software is not proprietary.
Front Row may lack the more advanced features of Windows MCE like DVR recording and program guide but the Apple Remote is simpler as it has less buttons.
Also, for users who want the more advanced features in Windows MCE if your willing to switch to Linux the product Linux MCE has those capabilities for recording and can offer program guide information.