Kaleidescape gets in line behind RealDVD for rough treatment
By Steven Kim 
posted Aug 13th 2009 6:44PM
posted Aug 13th 2009 6:44PM
When it rains it pours -- right on the heels of the punishing blow dealt to RealDVD, the money-laden Kaleidescape crowd suffered its own setback at the hands of the law. You just know that the DVD CCA (Copy Control Association) appealed the 2007 ruling that allowed Kaleidescape owners to rip DVDs to their media servers, and yesterday a California Appeals Court overturned that ruling. Next stop -- the Santa Clara Superior Court, which could place an injunction on Kaleidescape if the appeal is upheld. It's not over yet, but we're prepping the soundboard with ominous music, boos and noisy hand-wringing. Whatever (and whenever) the outcome, we can only hope that Blu-ray's Managed Copy comes to the scene sooner rather than later and settles this issue for our beloved HD content
But wait .. how has Escient gotten around this with their Vision line?
I don't know the specifics with Escient, but if this ends up going the DVD CCA's way, I expect their lawyers will do a find/replace on "Kaleidescape/Escient" and serve.
I prefer an unmanaged copy.
Managed Copy implies control is not in the customers hands.
Thanks to Slysoft, I "manage" my blurays just fine.
Still, if I understood right, don't kaleidascope and RealDVD or whatever actually leave the copy protection in place? So what law is broken? (I mean we DO still have fair use right? /sarcasm)
fair use is dead. It has been dead for a long time. We still have fair use yes but when you use it you get f*%ked.
Right. I thought as long as it was an image of the original, including the copy protection, FBI screens, etc, that it was alright ...
I'm not sure if you've ever used Kaleidscape or not, but it DOES allow you start watching the movie at the exact time that the MOVIE starts, NOT when the rest of us normal folks that DON'T have 10+ grand to spend on a DVD server.
They've stepped in it now!
Kaleidescape sells to rich people. Is the MPAA REALLY going to try and take something away from rich people?!
Pissing off rich people is a BAD idea. But I hope the MPAA pursue this because it'll be good for the rest of us "poor" people when the rich people's lawyers lay a smack down on the MPAA!
Ultimately the movie industry is shooting itself in the foot by pulling this kind of crap. People end up buying stuff like Slysoft's ripping tools or using DeCSS and the miriad of DVD decoders in the open source world, transcoding the movies at the same time and ending up with much free-er content than they would otherwise have had doing what Real and Kaleidscape offered. Those using the former techniques end up being able to make copies and distribute them to their friends. Those using the newly banned tools don't.
The DVD Forum was looking into getting managed copy onto DVDs, but as current licenses don't allow that, was going instead to release a "DVD 2.0" format, which was backwardly compatible with DVD, that made MC mandatory and also offered a few other HD DVD technologies such as Advanced Content and Internet connectivity. I'm not sure what happened to that initiative, it was being headed up by Panasonic but a few months after it got off the ground the DVD Forum announced they were going to slow down a lot of the things they were doing.
And DVD 2.0 wouldn't exactly help you with your existing DVD collection either. In some ways, "Digital Copy" makes that aspect of DVD 2.0 redundant.
If the studios had any sense, they'd figure out a way to make this work. Unfortunately I think they've always been scared of the managed copy concept, rather than seeing it as a massive opportunity. Let's hope they move forward a little bit in the coming months.
I agree completely with you squiggleslash, the CCA is now fueling the fire for illegal copies to be burned & shared. They need to get their heads out of their a$$es and realize that Kaleidescape & Real DVD are not the threat when they are keeping the copy protection intact on their servers. So the CCA wins this little war only to lose millions of dollars in illegally ripped product, it doesn't make sense????
The main argument that the DVDCCA has made against Kaleidescape is that they have violated the agreed terms of the license the they received for CSS Specifications. More specifically, the DVDCCA has clearly stated from the beginning that:
"Section 2.1.2, which dictates the process for using CSS's encryption and decryption keys, requires that products made by licensees play back DVD content from an actual disc. (1AA83-84.) More particularly, this section requires a compliant playback system to obtain - at the time of playback ("in real time") - two of the three keys from the "hidden Lead-in Area" and the "hidden Sector Header area," which are specific locations on a DVD. (Id.) The Kaleidescape System does not do this. (3RT232:2-234:19)"
...and is therefore in breach of the contract they signed. Now the DVDCCA will go to the California State Supreme Court to file an injunction against ALL Kaleidscape products made since the acquisition of the DVDCCA license.
This essentially boils down to fact that it is not possible to (1) be a member of the DVDCCA, (2) use their technology, AND (3) violate the terms of using their technology. So much for an easy and integrated solution from one manufacturer that sells something that can do it.
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