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WAKE UP.]]>Nov 11th 2009 5:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
Not sure what Apple is doing and frankly not interested in their products but Blu-ray just suck so much it's really hard to put into words...

]]>Nov 11th 2009 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
I need physical media along with millions of other people. Really the only negative of the Blu format is the managed copy feature. I really don't know why else it would suck. I haven't had any playback issues that firmware updates haven't cleared up. What happens when the movie you digitally downloaded disappeared because the studio decided they wanted to remove it from your library (ala Amazon and the Kindle)? Also, lets just imagine/pretend for a moment that your compressed 1080p video doesn't have visible compression artifacts and is of the same quality as my Blu Ray video. Your audio is still going to be lossy and will most likely only be stereo sound. Digital media will not have the audio fidelity that Blu Ray has currently for a long long time because of limited bandwidth.

I'm just guessing that you fit into one of the following categories:
1) you are a mac fanboi who doesn't question Steve Jobs
2) you are a Bose fanatic--that would prove that you know nothing about audio quality
3) you think its cool to pirate movies off of your favorite torrent site and watch them in your parents basement on your 1337 30" computer screen.]]>Nov 11th 2009 9:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
I believe Apple is a member of the BDA--or they have pledged to support the format early on. I don't remember the details. Either way they said they backed the format early on.]]>Nov 11th 2009 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
4) You are a guy that got shafted by the content industrie because he dared to work (and live) in different different regions and was "forced" to either rebuy a lot of silver disks, try to break his player, illegally get other regions' disks (gets you a hefty fine in some countries of this world) or just revert to not consuimg any further movies.

I despise blu-ray for its DRM limitations (playback issues that need a firmeware update?!?!?? you gotta be kidding, you bought the disk, why does it not play?) because of the regions (so companies profit from globalization but we should confine to our local markets? right...) and lastly because I'm waaaaay too lazy to get up from the couch and change a physical disk ;-)

If it works for you, very good. In the meantime I rather spend my money elsewhere.]]>Nov 11th 2009 11:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/and presumably that's the only reason their part of the industry group. Otherwise, I've seen no indication from them ever pledging to support Bluray in relation to consumers. Why would they? It would cannibalize iTunes sales.]]>Nov 11th 2009 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
Apple is asinine in expecting us to burn and backup our HD content to DVD as it is tantamount to expecting us to write to a box full of floppy discs.

Also, Blu-ray content is leaps and bounds better than streaming/downloadable content. Banning it is inexcusable and I will not upgrade my system until Apple includes contemporary technology.]]>Nov 11th 2009 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
Somebody explain to me why a 3rd party can't equip a Mac to play blu ray. If they sell you the drive, can't they write software to allow blu ray playback?]]>Nov 11th 2009 12:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
Fair enough. I apologize for my snarky comments. However, my main argument still holds true that physical media imo is the better alternative.

DRM or no DRM, I have more faith in physical media over digital media since the studios won't and cannot come and take my disc from me--Amazon proved that they can take books off of the Kindle. Besides I can resell my physical disc--try that with digital media.

And comeon, too lazy to get up and pop a disc in?]]>Nov 11th 2009 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 4:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 10:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 4:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 6:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 5:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 5:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
They're still throwing out important features to make products thinner, when no one is complaining that they're too thick. Remember the flap over iPod batteries? Instead of keeping the hard-drive-based iPods at their second-gen dimensions and doubling the battery volume, the inexplicably made them thinner.

Now they've pulled the same crap with their laptops, trying to tell people that non-removable batteries are actually an ADVANTAGE instead of the idiotic step backward that they are. The first-gen titanium MacBook was plenty thin. Now it's time to start adding value, but Apple insists on taking it away for the sole benefit of... a marginal and unasked-for bit of extra thinness?

Great. I'll totally give up the ability to use my "portable" computer throughout long flights, and I'll give up an ExpressCard slot that would let me use a 3G data card or USB 3, and and and... to save 1/10th of an inch.

MORONIC.]]>Nov 11th 2009 6:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 13th 2009 7:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
Apple’s decisions clearly don’t suit your needs but your assumption that Apple “inexplicably” made their decisions is foolish They knew exactly how many HDD-based iPods are being sold and at what capacities. If the 1.8” HDD with dual-platters was selling well I can’t imagine them axing it. As for the notebook on a long flight, the integrated battery offers exactly that.

Most notebooks don’t even get you what MBPs now get you with 2 batteries. Unless you are using it for some insane amount of work away from a power source then you shouldn’t have an issue and if it’s that mandatory then there are external battery options with MagSafe connectors.

As for thinness, that apparently is selling because is growing in the premium market where others can’t. You don’t sound their customer but you can’t deny that what they are doing is working for them.

Check ou this AnandTech article for a balanced review of the pros and cons of the MBP line. It’s from just a few hours ago so it’s relevant.

• http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=3672]]>Nov 11th 2009 7:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
Replacement.

I HAVE to send in MY computer so that Apple can charge me to replace my battery. Instead of spending 1 hr to go to the store to buy a new battery, I know have no computer for a couple weeks while I wait for Apple to replace it.

The same goes for iPod batteries.

Not sure if this is what Apple does with computers, but in the case of iPods they don't even give you YOUR ipod back. Instead you get a refurbished one. Who knows what kind of problems the ipod they refurbished and sent to you in replacement had before you got it. Instead of giving you back your perfectly good, working, you know what it's been through ipod, they send you a refurbished one.

The same applies to the iphone.

Built-in batteries are a huge fail. I don't care how long your battery life is or how thin and sleek your product looks. I don't want your built-in battery crap.]]>Nov 11th 2009 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
How much can someone be wrong? Apple replaces batteries in the store. Or, you can install it yourself by removing a few simple screws. The latter part isn’t covered under warranty, but if you can last 1000 full cycles of a battery that is already 2-3x longer than other machines in duration while only have 300 charge cycles then you are well past even the 3 year Mac warranty. Realistically though, you aren’t going to ever replace the battery.]]>Nov 11th 2009 7:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
We all know that our laptops with normal batteries typically start to wear out after a year. That's 300 charge cycles, one a day or so equals about a years worth of us, it all adds up

Now let's say you've got 1000 charge cycles. That's about 3 years of use just like you said, on one charage a day. Aren't Macs supposed to last a long time? Wouldn't this mean I would still be replacing my battery?

Apple fans have always touted the longetivity of their products, now it's shooting them in the foot in the form of built in batteries.]]>Nov 11th 2009 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
After 300 cycles you are supposed to have about 85% of your original capacity as measured in mAh. Same goes for Apple’s 1000 cycle batteries. Again, you may not like it and/or it may not fit your needs but it’s a fact that people just don’t buy extra batteries and replacing batteries outside of warranty issues isn’t common and is less common with 3.3x the number of cycles as other vendor’s batteries.

Again, it’s all pretty damn simple to change if you need to do it yourself so there really is no need to bitch about a theoretical problem that may happen 4 to 5 years after you’ve bought a machine.

People bitched about the iPod’s built in battery instead of the common AA batteries used at the time. Was that a bad idea? You’ll see, this will catch on with premium machines simply because it allows for all day use while also allowing for slimmer and yet more rigid design.]]>Nov 13th 2009 3:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/It's only a matter of time before on-the-fly playing is possible.]]>Nov 11th 2009 5:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 5:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
And there is not bluray playback support, so it acts just as a media device.

Then again, some people don't mind shelling out $200 just be sure that their drive fits inside.]]>Nov 11th 2009 5:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 5:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 7:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
3rd party software like PowerDVD etc do though. As to why 3rd parties don't make Blu-ray movies playback software for the Mac is anyone's guess, but the best seems to be the lack of "protected path." But then again some iTunes videos requires HDCP to be played via digital outputs, so maybe that isn't true either. ]]>Nov 11th 2009 7:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
don't you think the mysterious absence of such an application is a little strange?]]>Nov 11th 2009 5:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
You apple losers have got to wake up and see that there are more important thing in life than pretending you are important because you have Apple stuff...

like not having your wife cheat on you every night when that guy comes around in his sports car... trust me your wife is not impressed with your apple gear.

She told me!

AHAHH!]]>Nov 11th 2009 5:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
Dude, I think you have some domestic things to work out, things that probably outweigh the importance of making rambling posts on the Web.]]>Nov 11th 2009 6:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
Thank god I went for the Vaio FW. I was thinking of maybe getting a MacBook Pro for a while but it seems like I dodged a bullet there. ]]>Nov 11th 2009 6:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 7:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 6:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
After searching the net, people have tried - and all have failed. PowerDVD spits out an error, so does Nero.

Only solution is to use Bootcamp on OS X at the moment.]]>Nov 11th 2009 7:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
I'd be nice if at least one 3rd party app had blu-ray support. I've wanted a drive in my Mac Pro for a few years. I guess I'd also need a HDMI port that also supported HD audio too. I figure that won't happen and just another reason why I am done with Apple. ]]>Nov 11th 2009 7:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 7:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 8:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 8:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 9:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
Never once have i made any remark that i was a blind apple fanboy, yes i have a macbook pro, yes i find blue ray silly, but i dont see the point of blueray in my custom built gaming computer because i have a ps3 for that.

next time before you make an ass of yourself think before you reply to a comment]]>Nov 11th 2009 10:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
If I want to watch something while traveling, I just copy the rip to my laptop, but even then, with Windows 7 built in support for streaming video from home to anywhere I have an internet connection, combined with cheap unlimited data (and free tethering) on my phone, the only time I have to worry about having a copy on my machine is when I'm on an airplane.

Given the advent of iTunes, Netflix and even the slow out the gate Zune Marketplace, for the vast majority of people, digital downloads (rental or purchase) are the future, because let's face it, it may be nice to have something like Blade Runner in HD to revisit in all it's glory on a rainy afternoon, but the difference in audio and video quality between Blu Ray and an HD rental is SUBJECTIVELY less important when watching most movies, especially on a laptop screen when sitting on a plane or train. ]]>Nov 11th 2009 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
I rent blu-ray via netflix and I watch netflix on demand, I also rent and buy videos and movies from the playstation store (something I used to do at itunes). I would like to be able to watch these movies in transit on my macbook but its hardware is antiquated. hopefully my next macbook will support this contemporary technology.]]>Nov 11th 2009 4:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/Nov 11th 2009 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/amex-digitals-mac-mini-blu-ray-drive-upgrade-kit-is-not-what-it/
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