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He released a great spreadsheet on every current model with advertised and tested resolutions, motion resolution, etc... All the hard data. No more it seems, just "the latest deals" without mention to quality and the like.

We literally need a single source that has every current TV with all the "actual" data, not advertising FUD. ]]>Dec 3rd 2009 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/
I've pretty much stopped reading the reviews from HD Guru. The article in question is a prime example. He says he tested image retention and burn-in on various 2008 and 2009 plasmas but doesn't cite model numbers or even brands. He even states that he did the tests for 10 hours and says that no burn-in occurred. What about image retention? How long did that take to disappear after that 10 hour test? A lot of people would count IR as burn-in if it was still visible for a few hours.

He should man up and leave a static screen on a plasma for a few days. Heck, a few hours every day for a month would be fine. I work in the electronics industry and visit many stores on my job. I've seen burn-in and image retention. I know the difference.

Some burn-in examples:
-Store A: 2007 Panasonic 50" plasma showed visible burn in after running the Experience Blu-ray 2.0 disc for a few months (BD logo visible in lower right corner). Much less visible after a few weeks of running different material. Eventually sold to a customer.
-Store A: 2008 Panasonics were much better, similar run time, but no visible burn-in with that demo. No burn-in seen, all demo units sold.
-Store B: 2008 Samsung 50" plasma showed visible burn-in after running the Soundstage Blu-ray Seal concert for a few months (yes, this is at Sears). BD menu clearly visible. Ran the white wipe for a couple of days and it was still visible, although improved. Did not re-visit the store for a week and it was gone when I returned. Ultimate status: unknown.
-Store C: 2009 Panasonic 42" plasma will show visible (but faint) image retention after running a Blu-ray menu for a few hours (Road Trip and High School Musical 2 are usually running unless it's the Pana demo BD). No permanent burn-in so far. Status: on going.]]>Dec 4th 2009 3:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 3rd 2009 4:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 4th 2009 1:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 3rd 2009 4:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/
Burn in takes years not days of abuse. Call me weird, but I've never had a TV for less than 10 years.

I still would rather have a TV that cant burn in rather than one that could under specific conditions]]>Dec 3rd 2009 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/
Can I get the commission for that purchase???]]>Dec 3rd 2009 5:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/
Yes, you get the same commission the BB idiot received....$0.00]]>Dec 6th 2009 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/
I purchased an LCD with LED back lighting but not because of any fear of burn-in. I would recommend a plasma to anyone unless they plan to display very static images for long periods of time.]]>Dec 3rd 2009 6:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 3rd 2009 8:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/
Image retention should only last for about 30 minutes or so before it isn't visible anymore. If it takes days to make it disappear or be difficult to see, that's burn-in.]]>Dec 4th 2009 3:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/
No, burn-in is permanent. If you can get rid of it, even if it takes a long time, then it isn't burned in.

Sorry, but that is the way it is.

Some Plasmas are easily cleared, some are not. ]]>Dec 4th 2009 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 4th 2009 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 3rd 2009 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 3rd 2009 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 3rd 2009 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 3rd 2009 8:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/
But say what you like, but the image retention still makes me nervous. I really don't even understand why image retention happens, I never had image retention like that with any of my CRTs, and both technologies excited phosphors to generate their colors.]]>Dec 3rd 2009 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/
before you jump down my throat, hear me out.

LCD tvs do HD very well, some might even better certain plasmas (not my pioneer elite though) but that isn't the real issue. THE PROBLEM IS 80% of TV IS STILL IN SD. if you're watching any sd tv, good luck. it looks so terrible on LCD tvs it's almost unwatchable

plasma, does not have this problem]]>Dec 4th 2009 12:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/
I think it rather interesting that 10 hours seems to be thought a credible burn-in test.

A friend of mine got a 65" rear projection TV a few years back. His kids watched the Disney channel for hours a day on that set over a several month period. It burned the Disney logo into the tube. Exactly how long it took for the burn pattern to be visible, I do not know. The point being it was likely months of several hours a day before the burn pattern was evident.

Personally, I highly doubt that even a tube TV would permanently burn-in on just 10 hours of exposure to the same image unless it was in bad shape already.

What would I consider a credible burn in test? Say 500 hours minimum, but I think it would be something like one to two percent of the expected lifetime of the set.

Since you do not seem to mind the possibility of killing a perfectly good set, why not run it for say six or seven months straight? Somewhere around seven months, you'll have about 5,000 hours of run time on it. If it has not burned by then, report it to us.

Until then, though, please do not try to pass off 10 hours as a credible burn-in test. Heck, any credible set manufacturer would run a manufacturing burn-in test run after it is produced for at least 72 hours continuously - and maybe even with the same image displayed for the entire test run.

When I see things like this, I question my wisdom of visiting a site like this. OK, now I am ranting, I know.]]>Dec 4th 2009 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 4th 2009 1:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 4th 2009 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 4th 2009 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 4th 2009 3:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/03/the-hd-guru-tries-to-burn-in-a-plasma-but-fails/Dec 6th 2009 8:03PM