http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/ Engadget Comments for TiVo wonders why cable wants TV Everywhere, except on a TiVo http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/Feb 19th 2010 11:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/Feb 20th 2010 5:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
Does tru2way hardware even exist?]]>Feb 20th 2010 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
It wouldn't have to with Tivo's solution. ;)]]>Feb 20th 2010 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
Yes cable companies all over the country have been deploying tru2way boxes for well over a year. And no, there are no 3rd party tru2way devices availble at retail. Panasonic sells tru2way TVs in Chicago, Denver and Atlanta. ]]>Feb 21st 2010 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/Feb 20th 2010 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/Feb 20th 2010 1:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
That makes sense. Thanks!]]>Feb 20th 2010 7:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/Feb 20th 2010 12:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
Both companies have incompatible authentication and communications systems. Cable companies have bought into one system or the other. Tru2way/cable card was forced from above (the FCC), and required another incompatible standard that didn't work easily with Motorola or SA, and worse yet, manufacturers had no real interest in producing devices that would work in a marketplace that was on a race to the bottom on price and required paying patent fees to Motorola and SA for their encryption systems.

Oh, and most people really don't ask for cable cards, they just don't want boxes in any form. The cable techs don't like cable cards because they tend to break over time due to incompatibility with the native (Moto/SA) systems, and kludgey billing system integration.]]>Feb 20th 2010 1:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/Feb 20th 2010 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
Cable card was not "forced upon the industry". Cable card was what happened when an interoperability mandate was imposed on the industry. The fact that Cable Card is such a muck up is entirely due to the fact that the industry tried to use it as a means to AVOID their mandate.

Reliable remote control of the STB and an unencrypted output is all anyone needs.]]>Feb 21st 2010 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
Anyone who believes content owners would ever agree to unencrypted outputs probably believes in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.

As for reliable STB control with protected outputs, we had that with 1394 in 2004 and you see how well that worked out.

No, the only acceptable solution is a PKI encryption system and an open two-way communication protocol over the existing RF infrastructure. ]]>Feb 21st 2010 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
"the only acceptable solution is a PKI encryption system and an open two-way communication protocol over the existing RF infrastructure."

YES. Exactly. Unfortunately I think we have a better chance to see Santa or the Easter Bunny.]]>Feb 26th 2010 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
If Cable were smarter, they would realize that what Tivo proposes is a LIFE BOAT.]]>Feb 20th 2010 7:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/Feb 20th 2010 10:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
What's up with all these company's like Tivo and Google who don't pony up their own money to do what they want instead of crying to the government?

They are just shitty businessmen that can't make their dreams come true because the dream would never work..]]>Feb 21st 2010 3:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
Nice try but the government passed the law to force cable companies open up in 1996, which about three years before TiVo existed. If the cable industry spent half the money they spend dragging their fett on a solution this would've been solved 5 years ago. ]]>Feb 21st 2010 4:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/19/tivo-wonders-why-cable-wants-tv-everywhere-except-on-a-tivo/
TiVo is offering a suggestion to an easy to implement method of doing what the FCC has already regulated to be done over a decade ago. It doesn't take a genius to see that pretty much failed. Their suggestion is quick and easy to implement, and certainly not your overly dramatic "100 billion dollars" to upgrade. The pipes for this are already in place, not much else would need to be done.]]>Feb 22nd 2010 5:35PM