Comcast's 3D Masters broadcast explained
Still wondering how the first live broadcasts for the new 3DTVs will work? Comcast Fellow Mark Francisco has been working on bringing 3D home for several years now, and was able to clear up some of the questions that you've been asking about what takes place before home viewers slip on those "beautifully styled" glasses for the first time. Whether you'd want to, can afford to with the first generation of compatible HDTVs, or why it's expanding the use of that silly Xfinity name weren't among them, so for that you're on your own.
What format/compression will Comcast use on its Masters broadcast and going forward?
Just like DirecTV, Comcast is planning on a side-by-side 1080i (not sure what that is? Check out our breakdown of the different ways to send 3D) MPEG-2 transmission. Mark confirmed what we'd heard previously in our discussion with Bob Wilson from Motorola, on the backend, very little needed changing or updating to enable this transmission, which will take up a 6MHz channel, other than their frame multiplexers. There will also be an h.264 stream and VC-1 (for the Masters.com feed) and for broadcast within hospitality tents at Augusta National.
Will I need a new cable box or have to get a firmware update of some kind to watch 3D?
All of Comcast's HD set-top boxes connected through HDMI are already capable of handling the signal, so don't expect a firmware upgrade (unless you're waiting for remote DVR features, of course) between then and now, although future upgrades will include 3D menus and guide information, which are currently still 2D.
Will I be able to see the broadcast if I don't live in a Comcast area / don't want Comcast?
If you don't have Comcast, it will be licensing the feed to other cable companies, and Light Reading reports Time Warner, Cox and Bright House have already signed up, but it looks like satellite and IPTV providers could be getting the freeze out for now. The stream on Masters.com will be available to anyone with a 3D setup on their PC. As far as whether or not the channel will be coming to your local lineup, space for the channel has already been reserved in all of Comcast's markets, so all that remains is for the switch to be flipped and all should have access - one note, if your new setup isn't due to arrive until after the Masters, you can still record it to DVR and play it fine later.
What will the experience be like?
Augusta National is working with ESPN and Sony, who is also sponsoring the broadcast, to produce the dedicated 3D feed from about 10 cameras on the course. Benefiting from considerable testing over the years, viewers should see what he called a "comfortable 3D" effect, calibrated to enhance the impression of depth and ability to see the course from the player's perspective down those long fairways, without the pop-up book look some of us have come to associate with 3DTV. It appears Cablevision will take a similar tack with its initial hockey broadcast, locating the cameras lower and closer to the ice.
Have any questions we we couldn't think of? Let us know in the comments and we'll see what we can find out for you.
What format/compression will Comcast use on its Masters broadcast and going forward?
Just like DirecTV, Comcast is planning on a side-by-side 1080i (not sure what that is? Check out our breakdown of the different ways to send 3D) MPEG-2 transmission. Mark confirmed what we'd heard previously in our discussion with Bob Wilson from Motorola, on the backend, very little needed changing or updating to enable this transmission, which will take up a 6MHz channel, other than their frame multiplexers. There will also be an h.264 stream and VC-1 (for the Masters.com feed) and for broadcast within hospitality tents at Augusta National.
Will I need a new cable box or have to get a firmware update of some kind to watch 3D?
All of Comcast's HD set-top boxes connected through HDMI are already capable of handling the signal, so don't expect a firmware upgrade (unless you're waiting for remote DVR features, of course) between then and now, although future upgrades will include 3D menus and guide information, which are currently still 2D.
Will I be able to see the broadcast if I don't live in a Comcast area / don't want Comcast?
If you don't have Comcast, it will be licensing the feed to other cable companies, and Light Reading reports Time Warner, Cox and Bright House have already signed up, but it looks like satellite and IPTV providers could be getting the freeze out for now. The stream on Masters.com will be available to anyone with a 3D setup on their PC. As far as whether or not the channel will be coming to your local lineup, space for the channel has already been reserved in all of Comcast's markets, so all that remains is for the switch to be flipped and all should have access - one note, if your new setup isn't due to arrive until after the Masters, you can still record it to DVR and play it fine later.
What will the experience be like?
Augusta National is working with ESPN and Sony, who is also sponsoring the broadcast, to produce the dedicated 3D feed from about 10 cameras on the course. Benefiting from considerable testing over the years, viewers should see what he called a "comfortable 3D" effect, calibrated to enhance the impression of depth and ability to see the course from the player's perspective down those long fairways, without the pop-up book look some of us have come to associate with 3DTV. It appears Cablevision will take a similar tack with its initial hockey broadcast, locating the cameras lower and closer to the ice.
Have any questions we we couldn't think of? Let us know in the comments and we'll see what we can find out for you.























Where's my glasses?!?!?
Probably back in the '30s, where INTERLACING came from.
The persistence of this scourge is just pathetic. Interlace should never have been allowed in our "new" digital-TV standard.
Man, it's worse than I thought. This "side-by-side" method is garbage. Not only is this interlaced (so you get less than 540 lines of vertical resolution), but the horizontal resolution is cut in half as well.
Combine all that with a shitload of compression, and you have a recipe for crap.
They should have accepted the necessity of broadcasting left & right on separate channels. The bitrate on these systems is already pathetic.
This is shaping up to be a crock.
3D is a joke. It's cool once in a while but not all the time.
Get rid of having to have the glasses and then Ill be all for it.
I'll look forward to what people that can view the broadcast think of it
@Jdubcsu
3D without glasses is impractical. Has anyone even thought about what that means?
@VampireHunterZ
yea, this
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/10/intel-shows-off-glasses-free-3d-demo-now-this-is-more-like-it/
OK so we keep being told that this is the future...
But does anybody actually want 3D on their TV? Seriously?
It's hard not to be cynical and think that this is an industry who have become huge selling flat screens as replacements for old CRTs and who now need a new gimmick to make you replace your old TV, even though you're happy with it, or their production volumes will have to drop.
It's neither a gimmick nor a joke.
What's a joke is the ATSC, who failed to provide for 3-D in its laughable "standard" in the first place. Then Blu-Ray, repeating the mistake much more recently. Had the standards-setting bodies planned for this in the first place, current TVs could have accommodated it at little or no cost.
Year after year, the committees that govern these technologies demonstrate a sorry lack of aptitude for their very jobs. That's why we still have 1930s interlacing and the ridiculous 1950s 29.97 frame rate.
so you do need a 3D capable TV right?
Not that I have a 3D tv anyway, but I wonder how Media Center or Tivo (aka non-Comcast boxes) will handle it.
@jhoff80
Media Center or TiVo will handle it just fine, only the TV needs to be able to detect the signal and display it properly. This of it like sending 720p content to an old 1080i TV, any set-top will do it, but of course it won't work if the TV doesn't support the input.
It's a novelty. I can't see how this is going to sustain itself as far as mainstream tech sales.
However I fear if it gets widely accepted, it's going to breed a new medical term kinda like Wii did with 'Wii-itus' , except it will be headaches after watching too much 3D. The International Headache Society (yes they are real) are going to make vestibular migraine a household name to describe headaches caused by too much 3D viewing.
Let's watch people whack balls around with long metal sticks... in 3D!
Whooo! Exciting!
Can someone please explain HOW brodcasting golf in 3D makes it more entertaining? Thanks.
@John52
snnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzz....Oh, it's in 3D? Wow! Let me wake up! Oh, wait. Nevermind....snnnnnzzzzzzzzzz.
@John52
Because this one goes up to 11, or 3 in this case. Hopefully this fails. I'm really not on board with the extra bandwidth that will cause more compression of regular HD. And I definitely don't want to buy a new TV and wear glasses.
@John52
Watching gold on TV is all about watching someone who is the best at something you enjoy doing. But it is nearly impossible to appreciate how difficult the course is to play if you can't see how high the hills are and the pitch of the greens. 3D adds the extra dimension that makes it feel like you are on the green and then you can really appreciate how difficult the course is and how easy the pros make it look.
3D is about making things more realistic, not about throwing things in your face like at the theme parks.
@BenD
I don't know if I care so much about 3D, but there is a huge difference between being on the course and seeing it on TV. Last years US Open venue (Bethpage) made you feel truly small walking around - it was impressive. On TV that feeling is definitely lost.
@John52
To hell with that, I wanna see Tiger Woods getting the beat down from his hottie wife in THREE DEE. Ahhh yeah.
Comcast is smart to go with the Masters as their first 3D broadcast. Although, not as exciting in 3D as some other sports, golf does attract a wealthier crowd (in general), the only ones that could afford a 3DTV right now.
I'm not too excited about the prospect of having to replace all my relatively new TVs, wearing 3D glasses, getting charged for a 3D-tier cable plan, etc. I'm also a bit annoyed to read here that Comcast will be designing a new 3d menu for their cable boxes, as their current 2d menus look the same as they did in the mid '90s (ie terrible) and are badly in need of a major overhaul/improvement..
I'm more then sure those great quality HDMI cables Comcast gives to their customers will support 3D they barely meet any standards as it is now. HAHA.
@magavd90 Digital signal is digital. 100% or 0%.
What is required to actually watch this - yep a special brand spanking new 3D television. Guess they have to start somewhere - chicken or the egg.
And that does sound right, TiVO's should record it just fine for playback.
So I guess my stupid question is answered in the "light reading" link:
While only a small number of early adopters that have bought new 3D televisions from Sony Corp., Panasonic , Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. and other manufacturers will actually be able to view the programming in 3D using stereoscopic glasses
@dan Honestly, these are selling fairly well at a particular large electronics retailer... (employee of said retailer)
'from the players perspective' - not form...
Still, interesting article. looking forward to the tech coming to the UK,
I have a question about watching this in 3D online with a computer setup. What program do I need to use in order to view this in 3D? Since it is side-by-side format, I will need a program to convert it to a format my television (Samsung 72A650 DLP) recognizes. Stereoscopic player does this for videos that are on my computer, but I'm not sure I can link it to a web address. Is there a program you can do this with?