So true...until the iPhone is well and truly unlocked w/o the need for updates (which i'm sure will always come with a "you must update or else etc" and the obligatory relock0 I'l stick with my open 3rd-party filled Palm treo.

:-O
* picks up jaw off floor and goes off to finally place iPhone order*

That's silly - why not do this with the iPhone? Maybe because they HOPE to get a lot of money from the iTune wireless store hmmm? This is one guy they ain't pwning!

A release of newton II is still a lame excuse for crippling the iPhone and iPod Touch. We already have laptops and a large PDA is as useful as the Foleo was...give us what we want Jobsy and open up the iPhone/Touch!

^^ blah blah blah blah blah APPLE fanboi blah blah blahblah blah

What's even better than the touch feedback is (horrors) they actually have a DEDICATED PHONE BUTTON for answering the phone!?!!

*faints dead away at revolutionary interface compared to iPhone*

What's new from Apple? Same old same old. hackers will never die (well actually they will but you get the point!)

You're absolutely right - for an MP3 player it has more functions (FM w/32 presets, SDHC-compatible expansion) and is $100 less for the same amount of memory the ZEN is not in the Touch class - it's better!

When I want something to surf internet (that you can't have flash or download with), watch youtube/movies (in one limted codec)I'll use my laptop or get a 4' screen Archos 605.

When I want flashy gimmicks that don't actually translate into superior function and wear off in about a week, nto to mention at cut-my-throat prices, i'll get an iTouch. When Apple stops crippling their devices they just may be the best, until then it's simply glam w/o much substance.

Good thing the Zen is actually $248 rather than $300 eh? And that gives you twice the memory of the $299 Touch and even less of the feature crippling.

I've been waiting for the hackers to break this and someone to make a comic book reader for the iPhone touch..only reason I'd get it over an iriver clix2 or creative sen...but at this rate I think i'll just get a notebook!