I spent nearly a month talking to various people at the local cable company and trying various m-cards (motorola branded) that they provided, and finally just asked them to send me s-cards, which worked from the moment I stuck them in. I was assured that they got the m-cards working on every other piece of equipment they had tried (which may be a lie, they lied to me a LOT during that month).

And yeah, they charge $5 each, the same price they charge for each STB.

You make a good point that I may not have any better luck with the OCUR tuner, but I am paying too much per month to not give it a try when they become available - I'm paying nearly half as much a month for card rentals and Tivo fees as I am for the cable itself.

I have two Tivo HDs now, and I love them (apart for how hard it is to watch content on one from the other). The problem with Tivo is the fees. $18 a month for two box fees, plus $20 a month for 4 cablecards (since I could not for the life of me get the things to work with M-Cards). $40 a month adds up to $400 in no time.

WMC being a no-fee solution, plus only needing only one cablecard is a real attraction.

Oh, one thing that needs to be mentioned here, to the people saying that they never run into conflicts with two tuners - that's correct for 95% of people, but that's not the intention of having four. Four tuners is so you can record shows, while you watch live feeds via extenders/HTPCs located elsewhere in your home.

For example, the kids can watch cartoons on one TV via an Xbox 360, you can watch the PPV game on the big screen (assuming you have the SDV adapter and your cable co supports it), and you can still record two prime time shows for the wife.

$100 per tuner, no more. I'd rather pay less (200-300 being much more ideal), but that's the top figure.

$100 per tuner is right where I was hoping they would end up; it's a good price point, and is low enough to meet the WAF threshold. Hopefully Ceton manages to keep the price at $399 or less, or offers a 2-tuner option with the ability to upgrade to 4.

But still no answer on why we can't have it?

Oh, yeah. Me, please.

Nice one, I want!

Please!

Me! Me! OOO! OOO!