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To "Siva" & "eddie_nutritious" don't even think about Sony for a receiver, they are extremely underpowered. I am a Sony dealer we do not showcase any of their equipment, and only sell their LCD's the only decent thing they make.
Also I advise everyone to stay away from Onkyo & Harmon Kardon because of their high defect ratios and reliability issues, we ditched Integra (Onkyo's high end) 2 years ago.
I would totally recommend Denon in this price range, it is the ONLY brand we sell at this level, and is very reliable and is a great product for the money.
Higher end brands we offer Sunfire, Parasound, McIntosh, etc.
BTW nobody reading anything on this website is an "Audiophile", but I'm sure they are generally competent at this level of equipment.
Even I don't truly consider myself an audiophile even though I have a $20,000 surround system - as it is low end to many of my customers.

P.S.> "WATTS" (so called power) is the most meaningless term in audio, having NO COMPARABLE VALUE, "AMPS" (current) is what drives speakers and what keeps the drivers under control (ie low distortion). Almost no receiver specs "Amps", but a laymen's guess could be always to look at the UL listing on the back of the unit to get a fair guess on current draw capabilities, this still doesn't address capacitor storage for peaks but it's a start. Back in the day Sony claimed 170w/7ch (1190watts) on a receiver that had 4.2amp draw (about 500watts), while Denon had a 120w/7ch (840watts) w/ 6.2amp draw (745watts) and could play significantly louder w/ much better dynamics.
Lee(retard/a-hole)
If you don't have a SACD / DVD-A collection why are you reading or commentating on a player. If you could actually count you would notice there are 1000's of titles in both SACD & DVD-A, you might also notice there are 100's if not 1000's of brands of equipment catering specifically to High-End Audio customers. Now if 1000's of titles and 100's / 1000's of brands sell 100's / 1000's of units a year, then there must be at least 1 million customers with some interest, as no one is going to buy every title & quality equipment is expensive (not to mention lasts longer) and not replaced anywhere near as often as your Walmart BOOM-BOX.
So please for everyones sake stay out of discussions that don't pertain to your gnat-like narrow minded perception.
To be fair neither Denon nor I have ever stated that this player is intended for or could possibly sell to mainstream customers, who neither care about SACD / DVD-A nor have the equipment to show-off the differences. Is there a market for it - SURE - are they looking for Hannah Montana / Britney Spears or worse RAP on SACD or DVD-A ?? HELL-FREAKING-NO !!!
FUTURE is the operative word, in 5-10yrs it might be just entering feasible mainstream production.
With present technology and infrastucture, why would you consider jacking up your electric bill from $75-100 average single family home to $300-500 amonth depending on 1 or 2 cars, much cheaper to pay for the gasoline. Oh and don't forget the batteries those are going to add hugely to the price, weight & subsequently hurt the efficency of the vehicle. If you want a highway capable EV today (i.e next 2 yrs) you either have to give up a lot of $$$ or a lot of space. Here are a current possibilities for you to check out.

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/alternativefuels/articles/120672/article.html

This is definitely cool just not mainstream:
http://www.aptera.com/
Treehugger
I don't know if you're a paid crony or just stupid, but your'e tin-can Honda Accord has never (in any year) compared to a similiar sized Ford on safety, and comparing a 15-year old broken down model to a new model makes no sense at all (If I'm shopping for a new car why would I look at one 3-times as old as my current car??).
Also I guess you don't understand fun to drive I drove 2006 Fusion / Camry / Accord at an invite test drive The Ford killed the competition if you don't remember their subsequent advertising campaign. In fact the suspension on the Camry was so soft and sluggish they wouldn't even allow it to be driven on the high speed track for safety reasons. I recently rented a 2008 model and found it to be surprisingly quick & smooth I was doing 90 on the highway w/o even realizing I was speeding. (6cyl model)

"Yes, that’s right: it wipes the floor with the Toyota Camry hybrid."
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/green_machines/2010_ford_fusion_hybrid_short_take_road_test

Now comparing actual current models 2010 Fusion Hybrid actually received 41city/36hwy EPA which bests 2009 Camry Hybrid by +8city/+2hwy, 2009 Altima Hybrid by +6city/+3hwy (Had to purchase Hybrid tech from Toyota), & 2009 Accord Hybrid (Sorry they quit making them in 2007, technology leader yeah right) 4cyl by +20city/+6hwy & 6cyl +22city/+7hwy DOUBLE the city mileage. Ok lets try comparing to a smaller car beats 2009 Civic +1city/hwy so we finally found a vehicle by a competitor w/ better mileage albeit much smaller and 928-lbs less.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/12/23/ford-fusion-hybrid-officially-rated-at-41-mpg-on-the-highway/

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-neil19-2008dec19,0,1742816.story

Finally style and features is anybody honestly going to tell me they think the Camry with those bug-eyed headlamps looks better the car looks much more like one of those Chevron talking cars then a sporty looking sedan. Altima looks nice & is quicker, but smaller interior. Features like Sync w/911 support, rear view camera, blind spot sensor are new to category.
Bottom line is for the first time Toyota has real competition in the Hybrid mid-size sedan category. Can't wait to get one.
Steven, why are you even trying to justify the comparison. How can you compare 2-channel to 5.1, it doesn't work, also someone shopping for a high-end audio piece doesn't want "decent" sound quality *very* or not. Don't even get me started on the fact that the PS3 doesn't even have RCA jacks and you are forced to use "Radio Shack" quality cables or "Monster Cable's" lowest quality which isn't much better. No audiophile will want DSD converted to PCM no matter the bit rate, it's the sampling rate of 2.8224Mhz (16 times 176.4Khz) that makes it sound more analog, also you don't have the multi-level compounded errors of PCM decoding / encoding since the steps are never quite 1/2 or double depending on direction. I can remember the day when a high-end cd player had potentiometers that were hand tuned to correct the first 3-5 bits of D/A decoding, I'm sure that today's A/D and D/A chips are much more accurate negating that need in general but they all still make errors and that is why Burr-Brown, Crystal and ALL high quality ADC/DAC manufacturers are constantly refining their products w/ new models. If it was a perfect conversion in the first place then all these companies would be out of business and you could get your DAC's at the 99cent store like Sony does.
After reading :

http://news.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/533731.html

I think my Denon representative was clearly not fully informed, I will be buying this unit & the AVP-A1HDCI (which I already wanted), as soon as I can unload my DVD-5900 and Yamaha RXZ-9. The Oppo does look like a nice entry level combo player but will not play DVD-A and I'm sure it can't output DSD through HDMI like the Denon & the $1500 Sony SCD-XA5400ES. As I do the math the DVD-A1UDCI is actually cheaper than a top notch Blu-Ray / DVD-A / SACD bought seperately. Not to mention it does everything better than everything else. I wish I could afford it when it first comes out.
DrXym & MoFro

Actually you are incorrect, a PS3 can read a SACD it just can't output it properly. As it has no multi-cannel analog outputs (and very low quality analog stereo) and is unable to output DSD via HDMI, it has to DOWNGRADE the signal and output it as PCM. As quoted from www.ps3sacd.com :

"Can PS3 output DSD audio?
Streaming of the pure DSD signal would be very preferable over conversion to PCM but unfortunately at this moment PS3 does not support that."

2nd only about 1/2 of PS3's can even read SACD's :

http://www.ps3sacd.com/faq.html#_Toc180147566

Only 1 Sony SACD product can output DSD via HDMI @ $1500.00

http://www.engadget.com/tag/scd-xa5400es/

3rd - PS3 will NEVER play DVD-A

Sorry, your game machine does not compare. At least you are a few steps above mainstream iPod/mp3 crap, they may as well listen to AM-Stereo or 8-track.
Engadget couldn't do a comparison that would have any meaning to the purchasers of this unit, they are by NO MEANS audiophiles, and wouldn't have a system capable of properly exhibiting the differences.

BTW - J. Goodwin - While I highly respect Pioneer Elite, best plasmas currently available only beat by now defunct Fujitsu, I actually still use my DVL-91 LaserDisk player (650 movies), their BluRay players don't compare to a Denon especially on the analog output (subwoofer level WAY too low) I hope your SACD/DVD-A doesn't exhibit these problems.

Actual U.S. price $3800 see link:

http://www.engadgethd.com/tag/DVD-A1UD/
Woody,
[Wow, what kind of IDIOTS are buying crap like this. I seriously doubt it's noticeably better performance wise than the PS3 for blu ray playback. I guess douchbags have to throw away their money somewhere.]

Only a deaf and/or blind douchebag/gamer would use a PS3 (Piece of Shit 3) instead of a quality stand alone BR player, not to mention that doesn't have anything to do with this piece of equipment. Does a PS3 or any other BR player play SACD/DVD-A the answer is NO!!! (down converting SACD to PCM doesn't count), does the PS-3 have 7.1 analog outputs so it can be used w/ high-end equipment - NO!!! So keep your comparisons fair, BTW if you can't hear the difference why don't you return that Sony HTIB you got w/ your PS3 and listen to a decent system $5000+, there are HUGE audible differences, the better the system the BIGGER the difference on a $100k system YOU could hear the difference w/ an ear infection. Don't criticize what you've never experienced.
Bottom line $3800 is expensive to most people including me, but how about $30k for a DVD player that will make standard DVD's sound as good as 5-Ch SACD and SACD's sound unbelievable. I will not be purchasing this unit though, I will wait for the next one as I'm told by Denon that my Denon DVD-5900 $2000 has better is isolation and should still sound slightly better.
AbbadonTD - You're on the right track.

Currently Pioneer Kuro is top dog, until their "Extreme Contrast Concept" as in the photo above from CES 2008 becomes a reality or O-LED can be purchased at a decent size and price. No I don't think $2000.00 is a fair price for 11" screen from Sony, their 27" looked amazing but still small and a prototype.

Check out: 1,000,000:1 contrast anyone:

http://www.ledsmagazine.com/news/4/10/6

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/251559/Digital_Journal_TV_First_Look_Organic_LED_and_the_Future_of_Television
Let the hive mind of Engadget get that for you.
"What is the best wireless surround sound speaker solution? I have a home theater where running wires is just not feasible. I have my own speakers, so I don't want a system that has speakers with integrated wireless. I've done a far amount of research and have only come across a few companies that even offer a reasonable solution: KEF, Kenwood and Rocketfish. Is there anything else out there? What do you recommend? Thank you!"

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